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    Unless you’ve been living on Mars, chances are you’ve heard of the Atkins diet – and probably know someone who’s tried it, if you haven’t done so yourself. After all, it’s a diet that sounds too good to be true. To shift those pounds quickly you simply need to start the day with bacon and eggs, snack on chunks of cheese, top coffee with cream and feast on steaks fried in butter. Not exactly the typical foods you’d find on the shopping lists of most slimmers who’ve grown up with the idea that a low-fat diet is the best way to lose weight. But like all things that sound too good to be true, there’s a catch. In the case of the Atkin’s diet, it means that filling up on high-fat foods needs to be balanced by giving up most carbs including bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, chocolate, crisps, biscuits, cake – even fruit, milk and some veg in the early stages.

    You might be setting yourself up for (health) problems down the road," explained ADA spokesperson Dr. Chris Rosenbloom in an interview with Reuters Health.

    The Atkins Diet, and others like it, trigger short-term weight loss through a process called ketosis. Ketosis occurs whenever the body lacks a sufficient supply of carbohydrates, a prime source of energy. During ketosis, carbohydrate-depleted metabolisms turn to other sources, including ketones from stored fat or protein, to satisfy daily energy needs.

    "So you do lose weight," Rosenbloom said. "The first bit of weight loss is water weight, the carbohydrate that's in your muscles, and then as you progress on the diet you will lose some fat, but you will lose some muscle mass."

    However, she notes that "in my 25 years as a dietitian, I've never met anyone who's kept the weight off." She said boredom with the no-carbohydrate regimen (which eliminates breads and pastas and "starchy" fruits and vegetables) usually causes dieters to abandon the diet, at which point "they gain all the weight back -- and more."

    Rosenbloom and the ADA believe that this type of diet can have a negative long-term impact on health. "It's so high in cholesterol and fat and total fat -- the opposite of what all the health organizations, from the American Heart Association to the American Dietetic Association, recommend," Rosenbloom pointed out. And she noted that the diet "is also low in fruits and vegetables and whole grains" -- foods with proven health benefits. While some of the vitamins and minerals in these foods can be obtained through supplements, other benefits -- like fiber or phytochemicals -- can only be found at the source.


    In spite of this, the Atkins Diet has caused the biggest weight loss debate in years, generating almost as many column inches as advocates of the diet have claimed to lose from their waistline. And even today, nutrition experts have still not been won over. Here’s the lowdown…

    What’s the theory?
    Devised by the late Dr Robert Atkins, this is a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet. Dr Atkins' theory is really quite simple: when you cut out carbs, your body is FORCED into burning its fat stores to provide it with energy; as you burn more calories when your body burns fat compared with carbohydrate, you'll lose weight more quickly; by cutting out carbs, blood sugar levels remain more stable throughout the day, and so prevent overeating.

    How does the Atkins Diet work?
    There are four phases to the Atkins diet. The first phase is called Induction, which must be followed for at least two weeks, although this phase can be continued for much longer if you can bear it! During Induction, you must severely limit your intake of carbohydrate to a tiny 20g a day (most of us eat around 250g a day). As well as avoiding carb-rich treats such as biscuits, cakes, chocolate, crisps, fizzy drinks, croissants and pastry, this also means ditching bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, milk, fruit and most veg from the menu. In contrast, you can eat unlimited amounts of red meat, chicken, fish, cheese, eggs, mayo, cream and butter. It’s during the Induction phase that your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat and blood sugar levels stabilise.



    The second phase, known as Ongoing Weight Loss, allows you to slightly increase your carb intake – by 5g daily for a week at a time – until you find your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing Weight. This is the maximum amount of carbohydrate you can eat each day to lose between 1 and 3lb a week. For some people, this may only be 25g carbohydrate, for others it might be 50g. Nevertheless, it’s still considerably lower than most of us are used to and really only allows for the introduction of a few more veggies, fruits, nuts and seeds. Bread, potatoes, rice, pasta and breakfast cereals are still off limits!



    It’s time to enter phase three, called Pre-maintenance, once you have just 5-10lb left to lose. During this phase, you increase you carb intake by 10g each day for a week at a time. The idea is to slow down your weight loss to no more than 1lb a week in an effort to prepare your body for the final phase, weight maintenance. By now you can start to include tiny amounts of traditional starchy foods such as porridge, bread and pasta – and we are talking tiny amounts! For example, just 40g cooked brown rice or 30g cooked pasta each provide 10g of carbs!



    The fourth and final phase, Lifetime Maintenance, aims to help you maintain your weight. While you can have a slightly more varied carbohydrate intake, most people need to limit carbs to less than 90g a day – that’s still only around a third of what most of us eat a day. The result: you’ll be following a low-carb diet for life.

    So how much weight can I expect to lose?
    Dr Atkins claims you can expect to lose 6-10lb in the first two weeks of Induction, which should slow to 1-3lb a week once you enter the Ongoing Weight Loss Phase. During Pre-maintenance, you can expect to lose 1lb a week at most.

    I keep hearing about ‘net carbs’. What are these?
    Not all carbohydrates can be digested by the body. Fiber, for example, passes through the body without affecting blood sugar levels. The Atkins diet focuses on those carbohydrates that can be digested and therefore affect blood sugar levels.



    The ‘net’ carbohydrate value of a food, simply refers to the amount of digestible carbohydrate a product contains.


    Does the Atkins diet have any side effects?
    Unpleasant side effects can occur with the Atkins diet. To start with, burning fat results in the production of substances called ketones as your body enters a state called ketosis. This can result in bad breath, tiredness, weakness, dizziness, insomnia and nausea. For WOMEN, it can cause your menstrual cycle to change or even stop due to the high amounts of hormones that you intake when consuming a diet filled with farm-raised meats. Constipation may also occur as a consequence of avoiding typically high-fiber foods such as fruit, veg, beans, wholewheat pasta, brown rice, and wholegrains.


    When it comes to long-term side effects, many health professionals are concerned that the Atkins diet may have serious dangers. While the high intake of fat, particularly saturates, may increase the risk of heart disease, there are also concerns that the unbalanced nature of the Atkins diet may lead to nutritional deficiencies, which cause health problems in later life. For example, poor intakes of bone-building calcium (found in dairy products) may increase the risk of osteoporosis, while poor intakes of antioxidant nutrients (found in fruit and veg) have been linked with a host of health problems ranging from heart disease and cancer to premature ageing and cataracts. Experts are also worried that high intakes of protein may cause kidney problems or weaken bones.

    Are there any other bad points?
    Because so many foods are off limits, the diet can get very boring with the result that many people give up after a short while. It’s also almost impossible to follow the Atkin’s plan if you’re a vegetarian as nuts, seeds, beans and many vegetables are banned in the early stages. Most experts also believe the Atkins plan fails to teach people about the basic principles of a balanced, healthy diet, which science irrefutably proves can help keep us healthy and free from disease.


    IN CONCLUSION...dieticians, doctors, and other experts believe that lowering your calorie intake, drinking lots of water, exercising, and eating a diet with foods enriched with vegetables, fruits, fish (and other white meats), whole grains, and other healthy foods is the BEST WAY TO SHED THOSE POUNDS!!!

    IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE...IT USUALLY IS!

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    IN CONCLUSION...dieticians, doctors, and other experts believe that lowering your calorie intake, drinking lots of water, exercising, and eating a diet with foods enriched with vegetables, fruits, fish (and other white meats), whole grains, and other healthy foods is the BEST WAY TO SHED THOSE POUNDS!!!
    This very last paragraph is the way Low carbing works. Juice have you ever tried low carbing?
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    Before i moved to Florida I had a girlfriend that did Atkins...this was about 6-7 years ago...and she lost a ton of weight. I was taking a Nutrition class in College and I ask the professor about the Diet...she explained to me about her losing weight and of course she's going to lose it fast, etc. But my professor told me that she would gain it back. She did...said it was her own fault...ok, fine!

    Well in April of 2003 I bought a place in Florida...this townhouse had mirrors for walls in the 2 bedrooms, so I was always seeing myself...and I got sick of the way I looked and had to do something about it. I started Atkins! By the beginning of Aug 2003 I lost 35 pounds, I cut ALL carbs, maybe had a little here or there...I worked out a little, not near the amount I do now. I got really thin, I looked really good!

    But I ended up gaining all of the weight back and then some...not because it was my fault or that I did anything wrong...all I did was start eating carbs again! You can not go the rest of your life without carbs! The nutural sugar in fruits is not bad. And it is unresonable to eliminate an entire food group...or two...from your diet.

    The Conclusion that My_3_Sons singled out there, that is the way to do it!!! I have eaten bread, rice, pasta....but whole grain and whole wheat. I've had a potatoe or 2 also. I just don not over do it in carbs anymore...I eat tons of fruit! The key is watching the protion sizes and calories. 3500 calories equals one pound of fat. And while eating carbs I've managed to drop 17 pounds since the beginning of June.

    Not too bad from not denying myself and apple and brown rice.
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    I'm simply cutting carbs, but not Fruits or Veggies, I eat a ton of those two things, plus whole wheat light bread and low fat meat. I am combining a low carb and low fat plan which is really helping me.
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    I did the atkins diet back about 2 years ago. I ate meet and cheese and nothing that was healthy per say for me. I ended up getting sick. I went to the Dr. only to find my cholesterol was high. I did get down to 145 in a few months time. My story is not a good one.

    I have a friend who did the Atkins diet who lost I would say 45 lbs and has kept them off the past 4 years. She has managed to bring back good carbs to her diet again. And when she was at 20 carbs per day she was eating lean meet and staying away from food high in fat.

    What I'm trying to say is I think any diet can work if we work it the right way. My WW consultant said anyone could lose weight if they ate 1200 cal a day even if that was 1200 cal in candys. Not healthy but something that is possible.
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    Originally posted by My_3_Sons:
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    IN CONCLUSION...dieticians, doctors, and other experts believe that lowering your calorie intake, drinking lots of water, exercising, and eating a diet with foods enriched with vegetables, fruits, fish (and other white meats), whole grains, and other healthy foods is the BEST WAY TO SHED THOSE POUNDS!!!
    This very last paragraph is the way Low carbing works. Juice have you ever tried low carbing?
    Yes, I have tried "low carbing". It is SOOO bad for your body and your kidneys. Our bodies are not made to take in so much protein. Everything should be done in balance, just like the FDA approved food triangle that has worked for many years.

    I lost 18 pounds the first month during my low carb diet...but ended up having THREE periods (TOM) during that one month. I went to the doctor because my periods are VERY normal and he told me "Get off of that diet immediately" because I was taking in too many "hormones" from the processed meats/cheeses I was eating. I went off the diet like he said....gained everything back and THEN SOME....but my periods went RIGHT BACK!

    Any 'diet' that lets you eat tons of red meat, butters, mayonaise, and other saturated fats should let you know that it isn't good for your body or your heart!!!

    Not just my opinion...but all proven facts by MANY MANY doctors and dieticians...

    -Jess

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    P.S. Thanks for all your posts ladies...I posted because I know how bad the atkins diet can be for your body, and I just didn't want anyone to get sick or hurt.

    Have a great week!

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    I think the actual Atkin's diet if followed to a tee isn't too good for you. Dr. Atkin's is dead. That should say enough right there

    What I've come to learn from a diabetic father and a dietian mother, is that reducing calories to nothing below 1200 is the way to go. Exercise is key! But reducing carbs does reduce sugars and ultimately calories. But like everyone has said its the bad carbs like pasta, white breads, ice cream etc that I cut. I eat plenty of fruits and veggies as well as wheat pasta and wheat english muffins/bread. My nutritionist said not to go below 100 carbs a day when exercising but at one time I was eating almost 400 carbs a day...not good. I cut them down to 150 and I was losing steadily 2 pounds a week.

    I think everyone's body is different and requires different tactics. I chose to do the 2 week phase of south beach just to kick my cravings for ice cream, sweets, and pasta. It works for me. Then I go back to my healthy eating. I don't do it for the fast weightloss but for the detox of junk in my blood!

    Thanks for the posting that info. Most people don't do atkins exactly like it is suppose to be done because who in the world could eat that much red meat and eggs....blah! Yuck.

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    Thanks Lizzy,
    I agree with everything you said above. How is your father doing with his diabetes? Type 1 or 2?

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    Any 'diet' that lets you eat tons of red meat, butters, mayonaise, and other saturated fats should let you know that it isn't good for your body or your heart!!!

    Not just my opinion...but all proven facts by MANY MANY doctors and dieticians...

    -Jess
    That is the common misunderstanding of those who do not know about low carbing completely. IT IS NOT about redmeat, butter, mayo, sat fats. LOL It is about good carbs and lean meats. Yes we do have red meats, good fats but not like you speak of. I would suggest further review before labeling a wonderful diet incorrectly.
    I've become healthier all the way around by low carbing. I have had not one single problem, neither have the other many people I know that incorporate this lifestyle. If done correctly, it can have amazing health benefits and yes you can maintain the loss also if done correctly.
    But to each their own. WW works for some, not others. Counting calories works for some, not others. Heck Jenny Craig works for some, not me. If it is the healthy lifestyle of lowcarbing that works for me, then thats what is important.
    Maybe if you tried low carbing the right way it might just work for you too.
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    Whatever you say sparky! Let's agree to disagree, because it's NOT a "wonderful" diet to deprive yourself of carbohydrates your body needs. 20 carbs per day is NOT ENOUGH for anyone!

    I will not post anymore on this topic, because like I said before...I was just trying to "WARN" people of the dangers of the Atkin's diet, didn't want to have any confrontation. It was meant to inform people. You chose to take it in a negative way...so be it...doesn't bother me and no hard feelings. Have a good day!

    P.S. If you really READ my post....this post ISNT about a "low carb" diet. It's about the ATKINS DIET which I KNOW ALL ABOUT because I read his book and I did his diet, and Dr. Atkin's encouraged his patients to eat bacon, eggs, cheese, steak, burgers with no buns, mayonaise, salad dressings, butter...etc and said they could eat as much as they wanted just as long as they stayed under 20 carbs a day in the induction phase! The diet you are talking about as far as lean meats and good carbs is most likely a version of the South Beach Diet which has had a good success rate.


    As Forrest Gump says "That's all I have to say about that"...lol

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    Nothing was negative ''JUICE'' but the thread itself. This has been discussed, and discussed again, hashed out and rehashed. Not every diet works for every body. You obviously read in to my words in your own tone. I was being far from negative, only trying to be more informative than the few reviews you've read. There are more pro's than con's when it comes to low carbing. Seems a few threads that have been brought up by you recently have same flack as the ones when you were banned. Very opinionated and please continue reading up on the benefits of low carbing. When low carbing you do not DEPRIVE your body and only allow 20 carbs per day aside from the first phase, called Induction. I've never tried the South Beach, I had too good of results with Atkins, which I then altered to my own low carb way of eating, AND MAINTAINED. You're almost due aren't you , I too became very uncomfortable in all aspects when I was that far along. Happy Day Juice , no harm intended from me.
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    Originally posted by My_3_Sons:
    Nothing was negative ''JUICE'' but the thread itself. This has been discussed, and discussed again, hashed out and rehashed. Not every diet works for every body. You obviously read in to my words in your own tone. I was being far from negative, only trying to be more informative than the few reviews you've read. There are more pro's than con's when it comes to low carbing. Seems a few threads that have been brought up by you recently have same flack as the ones when you were banned. Very opinionated and please continue reading up on the benefits of low carbing. When low carbing you do not DEPRIVE your body and only allow 20 carbs per day aside from the first phase, called Induction. I've never tried the South Beach, I had too good of results with Atkins, which I then altered to my own low carb way of eating, AND MAINTAINED. You're almost due aren't you , I too became very uncomfortable in all aspects when I was that far along. Happy Day Juice , no harm intended from me.
    First of all, I am not uncomfortable about anything lady. And don't worry....you didn't and will never harm me in anyway shape or form. I don't need to "READ UP" on low carbing because I wouldn't do that to my body.

    Thanks but when I want your opinion...I'll give it to you.

    Happy posting. I have ignored all PMs.

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    My -3-sons, It sounds like your low carbing,the leaner modified way you have kept it off may be closer to south beach than atkins to me. But then south beach always seemd like a mdified atkins to me anyway. I tried Atkins twice and couldn't get past day 3 cause I felt so horrible both times, but I have done well with a kind of self modified version of south beach. It is just a good carbs, lean meats, veggies, fruits etc. I basically stay away from bad carbs except in rare cases. You have to do what works for you. I'm glad you found something that works for you, and you know it is keeping you healthy you said, so great job!

    Everyone, We need to support each other, losing weight is hard enough without adding to our stress levels. We all want the same thing, to share what we have learned, and help others, and be helped, on our weight loss journies. We need each other, or we wouldn't be here. I think that the info is out there, good and bad about almost anything and we all need to be responsible for ourselves and do the best thing for us, medically, diet, exercise, everything. If you are gonna do something check it out, be informed, be safe, be healthy. And good luck with your continued weight loss. Rosie

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    I wasn't going to jump on this topic but I couldn't resist...

    Although I am by NO MEANS a fan of the Atkins diet...I do feel obliged to SQUASH the rumor that the poor man died as a result of his namesake diet!

    Robert Atkins died as a result of a serious head trauma from a slip and fall on a patch of ice. Period. Controversy has surrounded the reason for the fall and rumors of a heart attack as a result of the diet are completely and utterly unfounded. He did have a heart attack 3 years before his death due to a heart condition called cardiomyopathy which he obtained due to a virus, but his arteries were not at all clogged up like everyone thinks, at least no more so than any average man of his age. I guess everyone LOVES controversy and drama and it is much more interesting to believe he died from all the fat from all the meat, than from simply slipping on an icy puddle...hmmm...

    That said...being a Nurse I can't in good faith promote his diet because of it's obvious health risks...BUT...There is in fact nothing wrong with modifying his diet or other low carb diets that stress "good carbs" because those are the carbs that provide the most energy and benefits.

    But low carb should ONLY be a short term solution...

    Most body's function at their best at a ratio of 60% carbs 20% Protien 20% fats...I know it is hard to believe but it is true...I promise I payed attention in school!!! LOL!!!

    If you want to go low carb! Go for it! As long as you don't deprive your body forever, it wont hurt you. Just make sure that the carbs you do eat, are the good ones! Once you learn what the good ones are, you will find it much easier to incorporate them into everyday meals to reach the ratio of 60% without it affecting your waistline!

    Trust me...before I fell off the edge and gained my 110lbs. I was eating sweat potatos, whole grain breads, legumes, brown rice...ect. on a daily basis and I was doing great...

    Oh well...I'm done soapbox shouting today I guess!!! LOL!

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