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    Hello All! I've been hearing a lot of info about how caffeine can increase tolerance to phen and how drinking lemon water can reduce tolerance if you drink it everyday. Anyone have more info on this? Thanks =)

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    Bump,
    I would be interested in the answer to this

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    I have never heard that before. The only thing I have heard about caffeine is that it increases your appetite.
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    I haven't heard the caffeine issue either, or the lemon-water. I can't imagine why either would make a difference. The water should help everything, including phen, work better, since your body needs it for every single process.

    I agree with benson that caffeine might increase appetite though.
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    Hi Guys,

    When I went to the doctor to get on the Phen, 1st thing she did tell me was not to take it with caffine that it makes it a dud...just being exited about getting to take it, I didn't think to ask lol. And I am a coffeeholic so that has been very hard for me. Next time I go to the doctor, I will ask.

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    I drank diet coke by the case, and 3 cups of coffee every morning with an extra dose of caffeine if I could get it when I started phen. It worked great - felt energy, no appetite. Caffeine does not affect its working on increasing heart rate, blood pressure, or appetite suppression.

    Now it's probably not all that healthy to take a lot of caffeine when you're on phen (and I don't drink sodas and am down to 2 c coffee/day now). Maybe that's why you were told that - to get you to think it would affect the drug's workings.
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    I used to drink a sugar free redbull with my phen and it made it work even better, it was a drastic difference.

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    I have to dissagree with the thinking that caffeine increases appetite. If you'll look at 98% of the herbal diet remedies you will find caffeine as a main ingredient.
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    I've always used caffeine as a means to control my appetite. I so hope that is not true, I'd have a difficult time giving it up.

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    You may be correct, timirose, I hadn't thought of that obvious fact. I'm thinking of caffeine in diet sodas mainly - as I believe very strongly these things increase appetite (I know they do in me, personally). But bodybuilders are big on the ECA stack which includes 200 mg of caffeine, and they eat so little when they're cutting as it is, a little caffeine might push them over the edge of their limit if that is true. Maybe, maybe not. Good point.

    I guess I am on the fence about caffeine=appetite. But I cannot see how caffeine affects Phen's properties at all.

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    I don't think that she told me not to take it with caffeine to make me decrease my caffeine intake, because when we discussed my diet/eating habits, I never told her that I am a coffeeholic. But this goes for all doctors, they all are different and have their own opinions on how you should take medicine. Example, my Mom went to a different doctor to get on Phen, he told her to take it a hour before breakfast, mine told me to take it 2 hours after breakfast. Well I tried it the way that my doctor recommended and I was still hungry, so I tried it before breakfast and it works much better for me.

    I think all medicine react differently with each person...some may have headaches and some don't...some say that they have energy galore, unfortunately, I am one that doesn't. Everyone knows how they feel before and after taking Phen, so I say if you think drinking caffeine or lemon water has effected its strength, take a few days off and try it without caffeine/lemon water and see, since truly, that is the only way that you will know how it affects your body and your Phen.

    I personaly have tried it with and without caffeine (coffee and diet coke) and have seen no difference in it's reaction to me, but someone else may be right the oppisite.

    I did a google search just to see what I could find and I found out HERE , Avoid "stimulant" drugs that may increase your heart rate such as decongestants or caffeine. Decongestants are commonly found in over-the-counter cough-and-cold medicines.

    So I guess that is why she told me that...so my heart wouldn't go from zero to overdrive within a few minutes lol.

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    I too drink coffee EVERY day with Phen, and have not noticed an increase in my appetite. :thinking:
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    For some reason my link/url didn't work, so here is the address http://aolsvc.health.*****.****com/d...rmine+HCl+Oral


    Also I was gonna say, that I can be hungry and drink a cup of coffee and it does suppress my appetite, but diet coke on the other hand doesn't, but it could be different for someone else.

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    Ok I guess links/url's are a no no on here so if you wanna see it for yourself, go to ***** and in the search bar, type in Phentermine, then click on Phentermine oral

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    grrr lol w e b m d is the site



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    Thank you everyone for the responses =). I just remembered the effects I had with caffeine....Is is just me or does anyone else get HUNGRIER after drinking diet soda? I used to drink A LOT of diet pepsi thinking it was going to suppress my appetite but it did the opposite instead, even when I was on phen. Now when I drank coffee or tea, then I wouldn't be hungry all day. Really weird.

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    Hey Sweet,

    It is possible that diet cokes were the culprits that made me hungry all the time, as I would wake up and grab a diet coke first thing and go to bed with one, but I'm not completely sure since I have slowed down on them and am taking the phen, so there is mega difference now and I didn't try it before starting the phen. But Nyn said that she knew that they increased her appetite. It is weird how coffee/tea/diet cokes effect us differently....one makes ya hungry and two don't....but they all contain caffeine...lol guess tea and coffee have another magical ingredient that cokes don't...let's find it, we could be rich lol.

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    LoL I know! Damn caffeine....it's a "love-hate" relationship.

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    My cousin had gastric bypass(has nothing to do with phen i know) but for her diet and everything her doctor told her NOT to drink caffeine and NOT to drink any kinda fizzy drink...like POP...because there is something in it that expands your stomach and makes you feel like your hungry.
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    My cousin had gastric bypass(has nothing to do with phen i know) but for her diet and everything her doctor told her NOT to drink caffeine and NOT to drink any kinda fizzy drink...like POP...because there is something in it that expands your stomach and makes you feel like your hungry.
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    Hmmm very interesting point. I can see where fizzy drinks could cause your stomach to expand...I watch to much Myth Busters lol, but they were doing a myth about drinking to many pops at onetime can cause your stomach to explode, like pop overdose, well they used a pig stomach to test it and sure enough, after a few pops the stomach was showing signs of expanding, but after a lot and I mean a lot of pops,can't remember forsure how many it was, but at least 5-6 liters, it did explode.

    I think I am always hungry lol. I do know from personal experience that I can be hungry and drink a cup of coffee and it surpresses my appetite, but I'm not sure how diet coke effected me...I never really linked hunger and pop together till this topic.

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    Don't mess with the diet sodas, they are a diet killer. The regular sodas also as far that is concerned (because of the high sugar). As soon as I drink a diet pop I find myself craving junk foods. Water on the other hand kills my appetite. And coffee or water will not change the affects of phen (just don't drink too much coffee). Mona
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    This has nothing to do with the original caffeine question - but I think that I read somewhere it is the Nutrasweet in the Diet Coke that makes you crave sweet things. I have been drinking more Diet Coke since I am taking a Phen break and it's bad -- I need to get off of them again!!

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    Ok Kim, hand em over...no more diet cokes for you lol

    Congratulations on your weight loss, you have done awesome!!

    You know, I heard, off of the topic I know lol, but I heard that Aspartame in DC can cause or has been related to Alzheimer's. Gonna have to study up on that and see what I can find out.

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    Actually, I have read studies on aspartame (the sweetener in diet drinks) and it causes all sorts of bad health problems including causing you to crave CARBS!!! I too am horrible with drinking too much diet soda. Or "pop"... he he he... as it is called in the midwest.
    Oh, and also, my doctor told me that the caffiene is really bad for you while trying to loose weight because it breaks down calcium, and you need calcium to loose weight. She literally scolded me for not eating dairy and drinking too much caffiene.
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    Leonda, diet sodas do seem to make me crave worse than ever, but only an hour or two after drinking one. When I sip on a soda, my appetite is killed - momentarily. It's weird, but I have talked to other hard core dieters (people who have been gaining/losing for years) that have had similar results. The fact that coffee doesn't affect me this way makes me wonder - is it because I drink a lot of coffee before breakfast and then eat and don't notice the famished feeling as much as later in the day with a soda, or if the lack of carbonation and aspertame makes a big difference.

    There are a lot of articles about diet soda and its affects on weight gain, so I try to stay away from it for that reason too.

    Glad you got some info on it. And yes, meds are different for everyone (and docs all have different advice). It's a wonder they have anything that works for the general population!
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    Wow I just did a google search, Diet Cokes and Diet, omg what came up is shocking/scary as heck.

    "The poison in Diet Coke is aspartame . As a member of the National Soft Drink Association Coke opposed FDA approval of aspartame for beverages. their objections, running to several pages published in the Congressional Record of 5/7/85, said aspartame is uniquely and inherently unstable and breaks down in the can. It decomposes into formaldehyde, methyl alcohol, formic acid, ***etopiperazine and other toxins. In a study on 7 monkeys 5 had grand mal seizures and one died, a casualty rate of 86%.

    It's poison. It's killing the unborn, raining tumors and seizures on the population, destroying children, incapacitating workers, mimicking MS, erasing memory and blinding. Inexorably Diet Coke visits a plague of 92 symptoms listed by our FDA on a secret report they'll never show which names diet soda as the first source of aspartame disease. And yes, Death was one of the 92."


    What is scary is that as I admitted earlier that I used to would wake up and get a can of a dc and would go to bed with one....have been trying to do better since I started taking Phen..Diet coke has been our drink for years and when we have coffee or tea, we sweeten it with Equal...which also has Aspartame in it....anyways, in 1997 I was diagnosed with a brain tumor, May 2005 my husband was diagnosed with seizures, November 2005 my daughter had to have emergency surgery because she had malrotation of her small intestine and now I have Optic Neuritis (sign of early MS) and many other MS signs.

    I tell ya, this has really opened my eyes.I guess me and my family will be having withdrawals, cause there will be no more diet drinks or Equal in this house.....as if dieting wasn't enough lol.

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