PHEN, WATER PILL and B-12 SHOT

[kezmomma]

I started taking 30mg of phen on 10/21/2008 and feeling good about it and losing some pounds. Last night I was talking to a co-worker and she told me her doc said that the first 10 lbs is water weight and gave her a water pill along with phen and b-12 shot is there anyone else doing the same and it also have me wanting to ask my doc for the same. Oh I also received the b-12 shot and will be returning 11/04/2008 and he said that he will be upping my dosage and right now i need it cause at night i start to get the munchies. Let me know the things that go best with phen cause I need to know what to ask for when I go to see the doc.

SW 168
CW 161 as of 10/24/2008
goal is 124

[Olivia7399]

Thank you for the comment ,[I] will be trying the water pill, but I drink between 100 and 200 onces of water a day. I will see if it helps. I will ask my doctor I go back on wednesday.

[JennyGarza]

Hi, I went to the doc yesterday and she gave me a B12 shot and she prescribed me a water pill and phen...today is the first day taking the 2 pills. I think I have peed about 100 times! hopefully this will work...I will keep you updated. :)

[socialite]

I take phendimetrazine and my weight doc gives a water pill as well. It works great w/it...the only thing is just make sure to eat a banana or drink 100% oj or cranberry juice to keep your potassium level right. I had my low before and thats scary.

[pink.water.lily]

hello, I started phen a month ago, and when I went to my doctor to get it, he gave me

30 day supply Phentermine [white w/blue sprcs]
30 day supply HCTZ (water pill) 25mg [tiny pink pill]
b-12
b-6
and fat burner shots! I get the 3-in1 shot!!!!
and all blood work, ekg's and all that!
all for 120 for the first month

i just started my second month and only paid 80.00 for eveything!

and every two weeks i go for the shots wich only cost 20.00!!

[AngeliqueNicole]

Never heard of fat burner shots. What are they?

I've been on phen for 2 months and barely lost at all. I'm not eating as much, but my body won't let go of the weight. I think I'm an emotional eater and so when I eat, it's not because I'm hungry.

[Sundee333]

I take 1 1/2 pills of 37.5mg of Phentermine
50mg of hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) a water pill
10meq of Potassium (prescribed) (if you take a water pill, you should be taking potassium also)
60mg Cymbalta (for anxiety and depression, a side effect is anerexia nervosa, helps not eat)
25mg of Diethylpropion (prescribed to take 1 hour before dinner, but I take it 2 hours before dinner WHEN I take it)
500mg Metformin once w/breakfast and once w/dinner (Diabetics and people with a high probability of getting diabetes do not process carbs the way everyone else does. This helps the body regulate on the insulin production) **If you are diabetic or have family members who are, you know that you have the "spare tire", my family always called it the Everets Belly, Everets is my grandmothers maiden name and we got the diabetes problem from her side of the family. Anyways, if you carry your weight in that area.... I would be cautious of the diabetes issue. (The Metformin helps, and makes you poo----- kill 2 birds w/one pill) lol

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Thats my list... hope it helps

[Doctory Joey]

I started taking 30mg of phen on 10/21/2008 and feeling good about it and losing some pounds. Last night I was talking to a co-worker and she told me her doc said that the first 10 lbs is water weight and gave her a water pill along with phen and b-12 shot is there anyone else doing the same and it also have me wanting to ask my doc for the same. Oh I also received the b-12 shot and will be returning 11/04/2008 and he said that he will be upping my dosage and right now i need it cause at night i start to get the munchies. Let me know the things that go best with phen cause I need to know what to ask for when I go to see the doc.

SW 168
CW 161 as of 10/24/2008
goal is 124
I am a physician who has practiced psychiatry (Adult, Child/Adolescent and Forensic) for 25 years. Diuretics have absolutely NO place in the treatment of obesity. You only need a B-12 shot if you happen to have pernicious anemia. I sit on the medical board that fields complaints about physicians (and the results of investigations) in my state. I'd have NO trouble voting to suspend this jerks license and his DEA Registration along with it. There is no room in the medical profession for such gross incompetence.

Doctor Joey (MD, PhD, FACP, FAPA)

[Doctory Joey]

hello, I started phen a month ago, and when I went to my doctor to get it, he gave me

30 day supply Phentermine [white w/blue sprcs]
30 day supply HCTZ (water pill) 25mg [tiny pink pill]
b-12
b-6
and fat burner shots! I get the 3-in1 shot!!!!
and all blood work, ekg's and all that!
all for 120 for the first month

i just started my second month and only paid 80.00 for eveything!

and every two weeks i go for the shots wich only cost 20.00!!
I don't care if you lose a pound a day for 90 days. This is grossly inappropriate treatment. Prescribing two anorexiants makes no sense at all — and one is prescribed 50% above the recommended dose. Then you mention psychiatric meds (I'm a psychiatrist). No competent physician seeks to induce or exacerbate anorexia. There is much more to the dynamic of this eating disorder than simply being able to lose weight quickly.One of the things I used to do was teach psychiatric resident and residents in other specialties the basics of prescribing psychiatric drugs. Naturally, I went in great detail with residents in my specialty. This is irrational prescribing and it could very well be criminal. The combined risk of adverse drug reactions (ADRs) is definitely unacceptable. If you need Cymbalta, you need to see a psychiatrist — Board-certified in Adult Psychiatry. He or she quickly would put an end to your toxic drug cocktail.

Sincerely,


Doctor Joey (MD, PhD, FACP, FAPA)

[Doctory Joey]

I don't care if you lose a pound a day for 90 days. This is grossly inappropriate treatment. Prescribing two anorexiants makes no sense at all — and one is prescribed 50% above the recommended dose. Then you mention psychiatric meds (I'm a psychiatrist). No competent physician seeks to induce or exacerbate anorexia. There is much more to the dynamic of this eating disorder than simply being able to lose weight quickly.One of the things I used to do was teach psychiatric resident and residents in other specialties the basics of prescribing psychiatric drugs. Naturally, I went in great detail with residents in my specialty. This is irrational prescribing and it could very well be criminal. The combined risk of adverse drug reactions (ADRs) is definitely unacceptable. If you need Cymbalta, you need to see a psychiatrist — Board-certified in Adult Psychiatry. He or she quickly would put an end to your toxic drug cocktail.

Sincerely,


Doctor Joey (MD, PhD, FACP, FAPA)
SORRY! I replied to the wrong message...but duretics and Vitamin B-12 have no place in the treatment of obesity.

Dr. Joey

[Doctory Joey]

I take 1 1/2 pills of 37.5mg of Phentermine
50mg of hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) a water pill
10meq of Potassium (prescribed) (if you take a water pill, you should be taking potassium also)
60mg Cymbalta (for anxiety and depression, a side effect is anerexia nervosa, helps not eat)
25mg of Diethylpropion (prescribed to take 1 hour before dinner, but I take it 2 hours before dinner WHEN I take it)
500mg Metformin once w/breakfast and once w/dinner (Diabetics and people with a high probability of getting diabetes do not process carbs the way everyone else does. This helps the body regulate on the insulin production) **If you are diabetic or have family members who are, you know that you have the "spare tire", my family always called it the Everets Belly, Everets is my grandmothers maiden name and we got the diabetes problem from her side of the family. Anyways, if you carry your weight in that area.... I would be cautious of the diabetes issue. (The Metformin helps, and makes you poo----- kill 2 birds w/one pill) lol

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Thats my list... hope it helps

I don't care if you lose a pound a day for 90 days. This is grossly inappropriate treatment. Prescribing two anorexiants makes no sense at all — and one is prescribed 50% above the recommended dose. Prescribing any anorexiant for a patient with an anxiety disorder borders on the criminal. Then you mention psychiatric meds (I'm a psychiatrist). No competent physician seeks to induce or exacerbate anorexia. There is much more to the dynamic of this eating disorder than simply being able to lose weight quickly.

One of the things I used to do was teach psychiatric residents and residents in other specialties the basics of prescribing psychiatric drugs. Naturally, I went into great detail with residents in my specialty, but I made sure the other residents knew the basics — and one of them is that stimulant drugs are NEVER indicated or must be prescribed with great caution (e.g., when they are "the court of last resort" for patients with ADD, ADHD or narcolepsy) in patients with Anxiety Disorders, diagnosed or not. You describe thoroughly irrational prescribing that can cause extremely serious side effects. The combined risk of adverse drug reactions (ADRs) is definitely unacceptable.

If you need Cymbalta, you need to see a psychiatrist — Board-certified in Adult Psychiatry. He or she quickly would put an end to your toxic drug cocktail. Your doctor is either just plain stupid or making a lot of money (usually in cash) by prescribing this "miracle weight loss formula." This is both unethical and criminal. If I were aware of a physician in my area prescribing in this manner, I would file a complaint with our Office of Professional Conduct charging, among other things, "Gross Negligance in the Practice of the Profession."

By the way, there are diuretic combinations (Dyazide, Maxide) that do not require patients to take any KCL supplementation. Every doctor should know this. Too much KCl can cause problems of its own. It seems that this doctor is writing for drug upon drug upon drug, which multiplies both the potential for and frequency of ADRs (Adverse Drug Reactions). Finally, I'd let an endocrinologist decide if you need "prophylactic" metformin. Some of the other JUNK you're taking can have an adverse effect of blood sugar and that's something for an endocrinologist to determine.

How are doctors such as yours even permitted to continue to practice? They wouldn't escape disciplinary action very long here in New York State.

Sincerely,


Doctor Joey (MD, PhD, FACP, FAPA)

[SummerAngel73]

With all due respect, "Doctory Joey", for the sake of online safety and the protection of our members, I think it would be a good idea to offer us some proof of your true credentials and real name. I know that by law, all physicians must be searchable in an online database, so if you are for real, it would behoove you to be forthright and prove yourself as such. Otherwise, if you are an impostor, as so many people who claim to be Doctor's online are, then offering medical advise under the guise of being a Doctor is criminal behavior. I speak on behalf of my fellow phensters here for everyone's protection.

[Sundee333]

Dr.... Thank you for your concern, or was that something more along the lines of a power trip/ego boost. I will take your opinion and store it away with all the other sh it I hear that I didn't ask for.

Anyways, just so you can sleep tonight, I have had myself and my dangerous cocktail of mess reviewed by 3 REAL doctors. Do don't you worry your. Pretty little head about me and my drug list.

I'll make sure to tell one of the Pharm MD's I consult with your opinion though!! Now, I'm going to watch Friday The 13th with my beautiful boyfriend!!!!

[elemteach5]

Like I said Dr Joey~~~QUACK,QUACK,QUACK~~~ LMAO!!!! Man up-- show us what a wonderful doctor you are!!! LMAS again...................

[elemteach5]

BUMP====Waiting for the DOCTORY~~How about it Joey????????

[Marie Anna]

I'm sorry, but I must say something here.

A true medical physician would never question another physician's judgement calls unless her or she had a complete file and knowledge of that patience's medical history and had completed a thorough physical examination. That has been told to me over and over again my the several physicians in my family. Now, I know loads of doctors from developing countries that don't seem to have that same code of ethics.

[SummerAngel73]

I'm sorry, but I must say something here.

A true medical physician would never question another physician's judgement calls unless her or she had a complete file and knowledge of that patience's medical history and had completed a thorough physical examination. That has been told to me over and over again my the several physicians in my family. Now, I know loads of doctors from developing countries that don't seem to have that same code of ethics.

Marie Anna, go check your visitor messages on your profile page, I have been trying to get a hold of you!

[Marie Anna]

Now check yours!

My profile is set to no private messages and I have been trying to get ahold of the adminstrator for about three days to help me figure out how to change that. Haven't recieved a reply from her yet.

[SummerAngel73]

Now check yours!

My profile is set to no private messages and I have been trying to get ahold of the adminstrator for about three days to help me figure out how to change that. Haven't recieved a reply from her yet.

Marie Anna,
Go to your user CP, then to the left of the page where it says "Edit Options", click on that, you will then need to go and "check" the box that says "enable private messages", and change any other options on there, such as "allow V-card download", you will probably want to uncheck that box because it will give users your email address. Let me know if that works!

[Sundee333]

BUMP====Waiting for the DOCTORY~~How about it Joey????????



He won't respond even if he does log on to see the responses. Why wont he respond? Because after he looks at what he said and the responses, he will HOPEFULLY realize that he was out of line and HIS medical advise was the one that needed rethinking AND that we are not some 'dumb women' who just want to be super thin.

I do not believe ANY medical Dr or PharmD would EVER come onto a website and start negative thinking about a persons Dr who knows their medical history, knows what medications they are on and openly 'slams' them. That is NOT professional and it very unethical.

Advising someone that because they are on 'Cymbalta" they need to see a phych is terrible advice, especially without asking if the patient is stable on the medication and how long they have been stable, how much of the 'anorexia nervosa' side effect they are still experiencing.

I was blown away by that post and actually took the time to reply while waiting for our movie, Friday the 13th to start on my IPhone. (Friday The 13th is SOOOO scary by the way!!!)

Anyways, I hope nobody took what he was said to heart and if they did I hope that they speak to the physician. Also, ADR's (Adverse Drug Reactions), if you are worried about them.. there are a few steps you can take. 1. Speak to a pharmacist. 2. Get all your prescriptions filled at the same pharmacy, they will get warnings and WILL advise you that you cannot take such-n-such drug in combination with such-n-such drug.

As always, I hope you had a wonderful day and you were shown the love that you deserved on this Valentines Day!!

[Sundee333]

Oh, and 1 more VERY IMPORTANT POINT!!!

A Medical Doctor knows a lot, however they did not spend the majority of their college career studying medications, ADR's, The 1/2 life, the brand, generics, dosage and EVERYTHING else that goes with medications.

A medical or PYSCH Doctor should NOT be telling ANYONE that you should ONLY BE taking the B12 shot for ONE specific diagnosis. There are PLENTY of off label uses for 100's of medications!!

If this "Doctor Joey" had the initials PharmD after his name with this EXTENSIVE list of initials, then I might have actually taken a second thought at what he was saying. However, that not being the case. I simply took it for what it was, some jerk trying to make people second guess themselves, their physicians and even their mental capabilities to a point in my case. SOOOO, no PharmD... no bueno when it comes to ADR, uses for medications, dosage OR what we can and can not take together!

[allylynn]

I agree that most of doctors I know don't want to second guess their fellow physicians publicly. There is a lot of stuff that doctors don't share with their patients but put down in their charts. Like if they know their patient is depressed but the patient isn't willing to hear that...then in the chart it goes somewhere. They may perscribed an antidepressant later if they feel that the off label use would help them and benefit the main need. Perhaps I'm just rambling. I've been so angry today that I may not be making as much sense as I think I am, lol.

[Glenna M]

"Dr." Joey you should report yourself for giving medical advice to several hundred people without actually seeing them or having a chart on them. What you have done is very unethical, IF you are a Dr. you took an oath to cause no harm, your posts could cause great mental harm to some here. You are a MORON!!!