WHERE ARE ALL OF OUR ALLIES???????

[Juice2640]

What I want to know is where is NATO and why are they sitting on their ***E$ when hundreds of people are going to die of plague, hunger, heat exhaustion, murder, disease, malnutrition, and MURDER??????

You know what p i s s e s me off? Our country is always quick to help other countries when they need help....but where is FRANCE? where is BRITAIN? where is CHINA? where is INDIA (we helped with their tsunami)? where is EVERYONE??
where is AFRICA???? we lost thousands of troops in Africa because of us trying to provide order...

I am sorry but I am OUTRAGED at what is going on in this world....

What good are allies if they don't help you during catastrophy????

[tampa777]

Pray have faith and beleive.
I truly feel your pain and frustration.

Hugs to you
TAMPA

[abhughes]

I also feel your pain. I watch the coverage and just want to cry. Babies are dying and the newest disgusting news is girls are getting raped. What is going on. I agree with Tampa. Pray, Pray, Pray. GOD help us all.
:heart: Amanda

[jaspernotting]

OMG - GIRLS ARE RAPED? At a time like this? How I wish, only wish that those girls have already received the "anti-rape" thing (MSN news yesterday) that hurt that rapist' manhood!!! I understand if one rob the store - cos he needs food but come on!!

Allies, what allies? I don't know, but our tiny little island is always "donating" millions and millions of our tax $$ into our neighbouring countries and what we get in return? Sensitive issue, won't mention here...

[rene76]

i was wondering the same thing ~ who's here to help us? i wasn't aware of the raping~ you gotta be kidding? what the hell?
~rene'

[nickdsgrl6281]

well I'd just like to say it was real nice of our president to end his vacation so he could finally help out.

[Juice2640]

I honestly don't understand what is going on? OUR TROOPS NEED TO COME HOME FROM IRAQ AND SOUTHWEST ASIA SO WE CAN FIX OUR OWN D A M N country. I have to hold my tongue with what I REALLY want to say.

NO I AM NOT!!!

IF IT WAS A RICH WHITE TOWN THEY WOULD BE GETTING FOOD, WATER AND CLOTHING TO THEM....

This is just my opinion though. Don't understand how the government and state authorities can ORDER and DIRECT people to go to the Superdome and Civic Center...but then when they do....and they follow instructions....they are left there for 72 hours or more starving, no food, no water or medical attention....

THEY ARE LETTING BABIES AND PREGNANT WOMEN DIE!!!

What is going on??? We JUST now decided we should give 10.5 billion dollars for disaster relief???


That should have been decided BEFORE the hurricane even hit....we already knew it was going to be catastrophic...I mean c'mon, a category 5 hurricane hitting an area where they are BELOW sea level???

Where is our Congress, Government and Democracy when it comes to common sense? They had to have known that not everyone has vehicles, families that can help, money and transportation to evacuate....yes, there are some people who chose to stay that could have left...but what about the elderly...what about the poor that wasn't even making it paycheck to paycheck???


There was such a big deal about the tsunami in India...and the terrorist in Russia...and the submarine that sunk to the bottom of the ocean, and all of the wars we helped to fight (VIETNAM, WWII, Desert Storm/Shield, and now Operation Enduring Freedom/Operation Iraqi Freedom)...

ATLEAST IN IRAQ THEY HAVE WEAPONS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEY HAVE FOOD AND WATER AND MEDICAL ATTENTION?!?!?!?!?

Sorry....babies dying and pregnant women giving birth in contaiminated streets is just a touchy subject with me when it seems no one realizes (in our government) what is "actually" taking place there...and if they do....WHY AREN'T THEY DOING MORE???

I know how easy it is to drop cargo from aircraft..trust me...that's what I do in the military....

Jess

[Juice2640]

They keep talking about providing money to send troops to provide law and order...


why don't they send money to provide money, food and water???

that would make it to where they wouldn't need police and order because then PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOT AND STEAL TO SURVIVE!!!

[musicwoman]

I heard on the ABC Nightline tonight with Ted Koppel that the United Nations has offered help and support but our government hasn't responded. In reference to the women being raped..... this has been taking place the entire time in New Orleans by a gang of young men they are calling them "thugs". The policemen have asked the people not to go down the streets because these gangs are raping women and also have guns.

The victims who are in the Astrodome in Houston are telling their horror stories of how there was violence that broke out while they were in the Superdome and that women were raped because it was so dark in the place no one could see!!

All I can say is "God help us". Sitting there watching all of these unfold is like watching a horror story that is so hard to even comprehend that this is taking place in our own "America"

I have cried and prayed all week long. We have to be strong in our faith and continue praying and know that God is in control!!!

[musicwoman]

Juice I understand your frustration sweetie. The government has to know what is taking place there. The CNN news people and photographers have been in this from the "get go."
Ted Koppel was really giving it to the President of FEMA tonight on Nightline. He wasn't holding anything back. He was telling it like it was!!!

Juice you are right about the difference in the economic level. The majority of these refugees are very poor people who has no way or means of leaving the city and noone was there to take them out of the city and take them to safety before this disaster hit.

[Juice2640]

You have a pretty smile musicwoman...

[musicwoman]

Thank you sweetie. It has really been hard for me to smile this past week because my heart goes out to all these people who are suffering.

[kittie]

Originally posted by Juice2640:
They keep talking about providing money to send troops to provide law and order...


why don't they send money to provide money, food and water???

that would make it to where they wouldn't need police and order because then PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOT AND STEAL TO SURVIVE!!! i am from baton rouge and we have around the clock coverage of everything going on. i saw on local news police officers HELPING people break into the walgreens on canal street and told them take what you need to survive. they have people looting huge tvs and things you would never imagine. it's not like they can use them! the oakwood mall was looted and burned to the ground today after they stole all of the $300 sneakers they wanted! that's the looting that alot of our people are having to deal with. not the need to steal food. today they had a group of people who stole an 18 wheeler and drove out of new orleans. when they made it to baton rouge, they were let go and the 18 wheeler taken. that's it. i think our local officials understand what is going on but they have to deal with people going nuts shooting at helicopters while they were only trying to rescue them and get them to the super dome and wait their turn for the bus. it is absolutely horrible but this would have never happened if this was prepared for ahead of time. the president should have his ***** down here driving one of those buses and donating food as well. they are dropping food nonstop to people where they can. the people in the superdome have enough food to get through dinner tomorrow night now. it is better than it was and alot of people are dying but people here are trying their hardest i think. the military will officially be in charge tomorrow and can relieve the drs who have not slept in a week. hopefully we will see even more progress tomorrow. everyone please pray for these people.

[Juice2640]

Originally posted by kittie:
quote:
Originally posted by Juice2640:
They keep talking about providing money to send troops to provide law and order...


why don't they send money to provide money, food and water???

that would make it to where they wouldn't need police and order because then PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOT AND STEAL TO SURVIVE!!! i am from baton rouge and we have around the clock coverage of everything going on. i saw on local news police officers HELPING people break into the walgreens on canal street and told them take what you need to survive. they have people looting huge tvs and things you would never imagine. it's not like they can use them! the oakwood mall was looted and burned to the ground today after they stole all of the $300 sneakers they wanted! that's the looting that alot of our people are having to deal with. not the need to steal food. today they had a group of people who stole an 18 wheeler and drove out of new orleans. when they made it to baton rouge, they were let go and the 18 wheeler taken. that's it. i think our local officials understand what is going on but they have to deal with people going nuts shooting at helicopters while they were only trying to rescue them and get them to the super dome and wait their turn for the bus. it is absolutely horrible but this would have never happened if this was prepared for ahead of time. the president should have his ***** down here driving one of those buses and donating food as well. they are dropping food nonstop to people where they can. the people in the superdome have enough food to get through dinner tomorrow night now. it is better than it was and alot of people are dying but people here are trying their hardest i think. the military will officially be in charge tomorrow and can relieve the drs who have not slept in a week. hopefully we will see even more progress tomorrow. everyone please pray for these people. Thank God we will be in charge. Been active for 6 years...wish they would send me over there so I could help...I donated all of my son's baby clothing, soap and other baby needs to the Salvation Army today. I will be giving them his bassinett, and 2 baby swings next...

[JessiKat80]

We've had many countries offer to help. Our government, at least as of right now, is not accepting. Did you not see Bush's little crappy speech? He wants the American people to fix this situation on their own.

As far as the looting goes. What do you expect? That town is notorious for con-artists, theives, bums, scavengers and the like. They probably see this disaster as an "opporotunity" and thats just sad.

[nursietobe33]

That town is also full of loving, kind, caring people who are suffering innocently.

[Jenn77]

Everyone talks about NATO not helping out in this situation...but you wanna know what really pisses ME off? What about the Hollywood celebrities that send MILLIONS of dollars for the Tsunami relief effort? Where are they now?
I for one stand behind the president. If we back down now we might as well surrender. Do you enjoy your freedom?

[EBONY POETESS]

I understand what you are saying
As far as Africa 95 percent of them are H.I.V positive so I think they are just trying to survive :heartpump:
Those countries are not rich in heart and hand like America
The U.S hurts and than tries to fix it up and than take it over
The U.s government has never been fair!
Alot of events are also meant to happen
I hate to say this but we are living in our last days
If you read the bible you will see everything is happening as it should :heartpump:

[nickdsgrl6281]

Protecting our freedom? From what exactly? Do you have a loved one in Iraq?

[JessiKat80]

Originally posted by nursietobe33:
That town is also full of loving, kind, caring people who are suffering innocently. Oh of course. I didn't mean to imply that the entire city was full of con-artists. I was merely speaking of those who are taking advantage of a horrific situation right now.

and it doesn't matter what sort of person you are...everyone there is suffering.

[Ang4Short]

Originally posted by Jenn77:
Everyone talks about NATO not helping out in this situation...but you wanna know what really pisses ME off? What about the Hollywood celebrities that send MILLIONS of dollars for the Tsunami relief effort? Where are they now?
I for one stand behind the president. If we back down now we might as well surrender. Do you enjoy your freedom? Exactly what I've been thinking. Ya know we have some of the world's richest people living here. We have huge coporations who make billions with ceo's who make millions, we have celebrities and sports athletes who make millions, even in our town we see people who blow there money on expensive cars, luxurious houses, elaborate vacations, designer clothes and fancy restaurants every night.

Help from other countries would be nice, but really, doesn't it seem crazy to get angry with them when we have our own citizens who could easily afford to give!!

[kittie]

there is a benefit show on nbc tonight. i am sure you will see alot of famous people giving tonight. i know reebok gave either 1 million or 5 million and same for a few other big name companies that i heard about so far. they are stepping up to the plate. did anyone happen to see mayor nagin on cnn this morning? he said every single thing we are all thinking. bring in the "goddamn troops bush" if it were new york, they would have been there already. things like that. our local louisiana people have been absolutely amazing. we cannot do this alone. all the governor can do is beg for the help and she has. she has pleaded, begged, demanded. i saw it all on tv. we need bush to get this going. we do have to remember that this is only friday and this happened on monday. it feels like weeks already. it is such a nightmare.

[monifa]

bottom line is there is no help comming in quickly because most there are poor and black :( They will get to them when they feel like it.As far as the rapes I doubt it I think people are so desperate they will say anything to get out,I have a hard time beleiving the media.

[kittie]

Originally posted by JessiKat80:
We've had many countries offer to help. Our government, at least as of right now, is not accepting. Did you not see Bush's little crappy speech? He wants the American people to fix this situation on their own.

As far as the looting goes. What do you expect? That town is notorious for con-artists, theives, bums, scavengers and the like. They probably see this disaster as an "opporotunity" and thats just sad. as harsh as this statement is, it is true. the part of new orleans that could not get out included alot of inner city bad news. but it left so many caring and desperate people as well that just could not afford to get out. they had one woman on tv who tried to leave and did not own a car like many in new orleans. public transportation is huge there. there were no cars left to rent, no cabs left in the city, and she was stuck. she held on to a pole while her house blew away. there were thousands also that refused to go thinking it would be another typical storm. you can't force people to go in a situation like that. they even have some refusing to leave now and the mayor suspected by the time they got everyone else out, they would either be dead or they were going to be physically forced out. i HATE this.

[Jenn77]

Nobody wants to have war. The bottom line is, if we don't STAY the most powerful nation we will fall. What are we protecting ourselves from? Sept 11th ring a bell? Or maybe you didn't hear about the thousands of woman and children Saddam Hussein had gassed in the streets under his rule. (Just one of probably millions of atrocities he has done.)
We are not trying to take over...we are instilling them with the ability and chance to have a democratic government like our own so that they can live without fear and with equality.
If I had a relative in Iraq I would be damn proud. I would worry, of course, and be sad...but I would know that he/she has put his/her country before himself FOR A REASON. Our men in Iraq are the backbone of this country. They allow people like you and me to enjoy our freedom. So everyone can ***** all they want about how terrible this nation is and everyone keep reminding us that we aren't helping out in LA because the people are black. Have you not seen the rescue efforts? It's not like the government didn't tell everyone a week ahead of time it was coming!!! Granted, some people were unable to get for one reason or another...but I would guess there were buses that would take anyone out of the area if they needed it. How easy do you think it is to go in and fix a completely flooded major city?
AMERICANS take their freedom for granted. Just the fact that you can ***** about the president is evidence of that.
I certainly don't agree with everything our government does...not even close. But I love my country and can't stand to hear all of this crap.

[flab2fab]

Well I have to say that I do see the relief efforts as far as people getting rescued from there homes. But just like I said in another post, President Bush himself said the relief efforts are "not acceptable".

He spoke on the White House grounds just before boarding his presidential helicopter, Marine One, with Homeland Security Department secretary Michael Chertoff to tour the region. The department, which oversees the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been accused of responding sluggishly to the deadly hurricane."There's a lot of aid surging toward those who've been affected. Millions of gallons of water. Millions of tons of food. We're making progress about pulling people out of the Superdome," the president said. For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. "A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable," he said. "I'm heading down there right now."

I totally understand the fact that they are doing all that they can, but I do feel that things could have been a lot quicker as they have been in other disasters.

[V-]

WOW -
I just read some of these things...one thing in particular really bothers me....
this statement-

"bottom line is there is no help comming in quickly because most there are poor and black :( They will get to them when they feel like it.As far as the rapes I doubt it I think people are so desperate they will say anything to get out,I have a hard time beleiving the media."---monifa

How about the poor police officers who are missing family themselves,have lost their homes...they are living in their police cars, no homes, their families are lost or have evacuated....and they are helping people who are shooting at them, fighting with them and stealing other peoples property and causing more turmoil.IN OTHER WORDS--- WASTING PRECIOUS valuable time when they could be helping people..... ...they have been working round the clock and are wasting precious time on people that are being selfish. Do you know what the New Orleans police department has requested for their guys to keep going??? Socks and underwear....that's it. Pretty selfless isn't it.
Monifa, this has nothing to do with race, now is not the time to pull out the race card. I respect you, I always read your posts...this is nothing personal but I feel like maybe out of frustration you are making an assumption without facts.There are rapes going on there ...actually gang rapes I know all of this first hand because my hubby will find out tonight if his special unit will be going there to help out.....Do you know what they would be doing??????CROWD CONTROL/RIOT CONTROL......what a WASTE of time...when they could be helping in so many other ways....like they did in 9-11 SO with that said....THAT is how out of hand it is there.

It won't be once some big city cops get there and set things straight. Chicago,NY,LA etc....

People are doing what they can to help and make a change.....I am sorry I needed to respond on this once again, it is nothing against you personally but you just can't say things like that blanket statement without really knowing all or most of he facts.

[Ang4Short]

I truly don't think this has anything to do with race either.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would turn their backs on a situation like this just because of the people's race. We didn't do that during the Tsunami, we didn't do it during all of the other disasters we've helped with in other countries.

FEMA has said in the past that it would be a complete disaster if this ever happened to New Orleans. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/katrina.neworleans/index.html/ But one of the things they didn't predict was, people shooting at the rescuers.

[missus]

My 2 cents. The storm was intense, and most people didn't have the money to leave. Either their cars were old, no money, or no place to go and stay with relatiaves. Most of us here at phen.com have it comfortable. WE would be able to leave and find relatives willing to put us up (my hubbys uncle went to Houston).

Now, the storm kicked up a lot of stuff, but the thing that broke the camel's back was the levee broke. Now, why did the levee break? Because 30 million dollars that should have been put into the levee to keep it up to standard, was allocated to some other project (won't go into detail). But too much was assumed. It was assumed that the storm would not be so fierce, it was assumed that people had transister radios to know the levee broke and water was getting to overwhelm people (a lot of people didn't even know). Now, the city is overwhelmed, and they could just use our help, and prayers.

Tif made a point about last days, true. He is telling us to stop fighting, hating and discriminating (race, sex, religion, etc)and to go by His law (in the Bible). I know some of here are not into religion like this, but you understand what I'm saying. Look at the old movie The Day The World Stood Still. That will speak volumes about who did what, when and where.

I would like to say everyone had good points here, will we all agree, no? Until we can change our skin color and walk in someone's shoes, we'll never agree on anything. What we should agree on is to rlove one another as He loves us.

All have a wonderful day and try to do something for our fellow Americans who are lost, have no hope and no place to go and the victims and their families who have died or who don't know where theirs are. Most of us here at phen.com are truly blessed. Let's spread some of those prayers and donations to others. (I know some of you have already donated or are donating as we speak).

Hugs to all

Missus

[Jenn77]

Missus, you are a lovely voice of reason. You are right, nothing is black and white. (no racial pun intended)
I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone either, I am just passionate about my beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...even if it is wrong...LOL!
One thing IS sure, they need our prayers and donations!

[missus]

Hey Jenn, I'm feeling you girl. If you don't say what's on your mind, you could burst :blabla:

I told my husband, I know I'm being selfish, but I am so glad I'm not down there. I would freak if that was my mom in that hot sun with no water, or my little one.

Anyhow, speak you mind baby.

That movie I mentioned, The Day The World Stood Still was about a man (alien) who can to earth and started doing bad things to get the attention of the human race (America, China, Japan, etc). So he threatned to destroy the Earth because all of the countries were not getting along, cold wars (not know as cold war when the movie was made though), not trusting each other. So it took this threat for all of the nations to come together and love, honer and respect each other and work together as a team. Girl, when I saw that movie, that was the day I decided to start reaching out to people and trying to "turn my cheek" per se. Anyhow, have a good one girl.

Missus

[JeannieinMa]

Missus you are so right I just read on craigs list .com that there was supposed to be 30 million give to LA to fix the levee's last year as they knew they were old and not functioning properly. If fact they knew they could not withstand this type of weather. But... it went to Iraq instead. Juice I am with you hon .. you said it all.. Im not sure if its a race thing I would like to think it is NOT however when 911 happened rescue and relief was there within minutes of the attack , so was the president??? But those are rich white folk, with business, familys stocks and bonds. I am not black nor am I poor ( to those standards) however in the event of an emergency I dont have thousands saved to pack up my 3 children and go somewhere for weeks let alone months. I know that the military must have some sort of drill they practice incase we are ever invaded or bombed ( at least I hope to hell they do) , but lets face it Florida, Texas and LA have been hit with Hurricanes for years , I am pretty sure thats why this is called hurricane season. I baffles me that we have no plan of action to protect our people , I dont care what color they are they are Americans!!!! 5 days with out food or water!!! That is unacceptable, the President could not deploy troops quick enough to Iraq to the Tsunami where the Hell are they NOW.. I am sure the people down there feel hopeless.. Looting well I know its probally not right to steal TV's , jewlery , and some of the articles that have been stolen, Id like to think the people who are stealing them are doing it so when they get to another place they can sell it for money for thier families. Im not in thier sitiuation and I am not a thief but If I knew I could get something that later may be able to be sold to feed or cloth my children or be sold for enough to pay my first months rent or better yet buy me a ticket out of there I just might!!! I do NOT want to judge them, they are scared and I am sure feeling hopeless so if they are stealing to provide so be it!!! But my God help those people!!!!

[EBONY POETESS]

Before everyone jumps on monifa let me just say this,

I was looking at over 400 pictures of the hurricane disaster and I started to cry
The doctor i work with just came in and I told her why I was crying
She agreed it was terrible
And than she said,tiffany everybody I have seen in the coverage was african american,maybe that's why they are taking their time rescuing them
I was thinking the same thing but I didn't say it
She's arabian!
It's not about pulling a race card it's a fact!
You know it's hard to pull a race card when the hand you were dealt was already fixed!
I think people are people no doubt!
But please don't disregard that most of new orleans is african american
I saw babies crying and dead bodies floating in rivers
housing demolished,people who had not ate or drank anything in days
People losing loved ones
People losing everything they have worked so hard for is gone
And you know what makes me so damn mad is every flucking face I saw in the newspapers,t.v,internet look just like me! :heartpump:
It's sad but true
So it's not pulling a race card,it's reality!
Africa is dying off from AIDS ,New orleans is wiped out,Missippi (sp),louisiana all affected
People move according to their plan
I saw celine deon contributed millions :heartpump:
I'm going to contribute also
The lady that works here her brother is trapped in New Orleans because he was trying to get his mom out,her house is demolished
There is not any gas or airports
My God this is a nightmare :(
God please send angels of peace and restoration in it's entirety :heartpump:

[EBONY POETESS]

Jess that was an interesting statement to make!

[cielocha23]

Ditto on Africa Tiff... :(
The can't afford to help themselves, let alone another country :( Thousands are dying every day in africa from AIDS.

Sadly, there are people in this day and age who are still living by that ignorant mentality that is based on skin color. And alot of them are high powered politicians and government officials.

I could give a damn about a person's color. I see people. My hubby is bi-racial(black and white) and my kids are a 1/4 white. Their grandmother is white. Color doesn't mean anything to me. But to alot of fools, it still matters. You can't really understand the whole view point of being an african american until you've walked in our shoes.

This is a terrible and tragic event. Everything happens for a reason. My heart goes out to people down there. I saw a senior citizen floating around in his wheelchair. It's so sad :(

Heaven send your love to this country :heartpump:

Somebody said bring our troops home from iraq and send them down there...I agree :heartpump: What a blessing it is to to wake up in the morning, be healthy,have food to eat and a place to stay...yet many take these blessings for granted :(
Peace and love,

Cie

[flab2fab]

Originally posted by JessiKat80:
We've had many countries offer to help. Our government, at least as of right now, is not accepting. Did you not see Bush's little crappy speech? He wants the American people to fix this situation on their own.

As far as the looting goes. What do you expect? That town is notorious for con-artists, theives, bums, scavengers and the like. They probably see this disaster as an "opporotunity" and thats just sad. First of all we have 50 states in the United States and each and everyone of them have con-artists, thieves, bums, and scavengers. There are people that are stealing to survive! A bunch of bad apples are not the majority that doing this to feed families. I totally agree with Ebony Poetess and Monifa. I do feel that it is taking a long time because of race. I know a lot of people may want to deny that but it IS a reality!! I don't like it just as much as the next man.

[nursietobe33]

All I have to say is TO ME, it don't matter your skin color, your age, height, weight, your culture your religion, each and everyone of you are Americans. We have to stand by one another in times like this. WE have to help these people. I live in Ft. Worth Texas and we are seeing thousands of these people come here for help. It is amazing how many people from this area are going there and bringing people back, and how much time we are all spending away from our familes in order to help all of these families. If the government won't help or move fast enough then we have to stand up and help our brothers and sisters.

[MustangSally]

"nickdsgrl6281

Protecting our freedom? From what exactly? Do you have a loved one in Iraq?"

People have such short memories....
As a matter of fact my husband has been to Iraq EIGHT times...he left days after 9/11 also...he is a special forces soldier...I am an army veteran myself...
and we both stand behind the president.

Offers have been made, help has been TRYING to get there. Food, water, and needed supplies are being handed out as we speak by the national guard...why must every be like "IF IT WAS A RICH WHITE TOWN THEY WOULD BE GETTING FOOD, WATER AND CLOTHING TO THEM...." Everyone was told to leave. The reason why we are the worlds superpower is because we as a country have money...not every country can donate money to us...not to mention still having their own crisis' to deal with...
doom and gloom, doom and gloom...I'm not hearing it from anyone...you can talk all you want about the president and the end of the world...I'm outta the OT business...and sick of all the liberal nonsense that has gotten to the point where we can't deal with things as we need to to help ourselves survive as a country...

GOOD BYE!

[Jenn77]

Mustangsally,
Amen!

[MeganRose]

Originally posted by Jenn77:
Nobody wants to have war. The bottom line is, if we don't STAY the most powerful nation we will fall. What are we protecting ourselves from? Sept 11th ring a bell? Or maybe you didn't hear about the thousands of woman and children Saddam Hussein had gassed in the streets under his rule. (Just one of probably millions of atrocities he has done.)
We are not trying to take over...we are instilling them with the ability and chance to have a democratic government like our own so that they can live without fear and with equality.
If I had a relative in Iraq I would be damn proud. I would worry, of course, and be sad...but I would know that he/she has put his/her country before himself FOR A REASON. Our men in Iraq are the backbone of this country. They allow people like you and me to enjoy our freedom. So everyone can ***** all they want about how terrible this nation is and everyone keep reminding us that we aren't helping out in LA because the people are black. Have you not seen the rescue efforts? It's not like the government didn't tell everyone a week ahead of time it was coming!!! Granted, some people were unable to get for one reason or another...but I would guess there were buses that would take anyone out of the area if they needed it. How easy do you think it is to go in and fix a completely flooded major city?
AMERICANS take their freedom for granted. Just the fact that you can ***** about the president is evidence of that.
I certainly don't agree with everything our government does...not even close. But I love my country and can't stand to hear all of this crap. You still didnt answer the question. How are troops in Iraq fighting for our freedom? The American public has somehow been tricked into believing that Sadaam=Sept 11. I emphatically stress that there is *no* correlation. Sept 11th was wrongful used as an excuse to "clean house" in the Middle East and against Iraq in particular while the true murderers were allowed to slip away and regroup in the hills of Afganistan. Sadaam had been a thorn in the US's side since Desert Storm I, and this was the perfect op to get rid of him. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

You really should have a better understanding of things before you accuse other ppl of whining. Yes, the govt did issue statements that the ppl should leave. Have you ever been to New Orleans? Have you ever not had enough money to make it to the next day? Imagine-- no credit card, no family outside of New Orleans, no car-- the govt can scream at you to get out but where to go? How? Additionally, they were well aware that the levees were only designed to withstand a 2 hurricane, not a level 4 and that the current devistation was an inevitability. I reiiterate the point that someone made earlier-- if these were wealthy or white people there would have been a higher level of concern. It always amazes me to see how readily ppl throw the epithet of being a hater of America around. Nobody said they hated the country-- just that they didn't like how this particular situation was being addressed. Just some thoughts.

M-- (proudly serving our country in the US military since 2000)

[MeganRose]

Originally posted by MustangSally:
"nickdsgrl6281

Protecting our freedom? From what exactly? Do you have a loved one in Iraq?"

People have such short memories....
As a matter of fact my husband has been to Iraq EIGHT times...he left days after 9/11 also...he is a special forces soldier...I am an army veteran myself...
and we both stand behind the president.

Offers have been made, help has been TRYING to get there. Food, water, and needed supplies are being handed out as we speak by the national guard...why must every be like "IF IT WAS A RICH WHITE TOWN THEY WOULD BE GETTING FOOD, WATER AND CLOTHING TO THEM...." Everyone was told to leave. The reason why we are the worlds superpower is because we as a country have money...not every country can donate money to us...not to mention still having their own crisis' to deal with...
doom and gloom, doom and gloom...I'm not hearing it from anyone...you can talk all you want about the president and the end of the world...I'm outta the OT business...and sick of all the liberal nonsense that has gotten to the point where we can't deal with things as we need to to help ourselves survive as a country...

GOOD BYE! I would suggest that its not a liberal idea to believe that when you help others out, its not unreasonable to expect help in return sometime down the line. This isnt liberal idealism-- this is just seeking a semi-equitable relationship with other countries. Obviously, these countries arent as affluent as us. But when we act as the policeman of the world and get nothing in return when we're down-- thats not right. Additionally, I have to question the logic of the President in turning down aid when troops are already grossly overextended in Iraq and Afganistan.

[V-]

Dear haters,twisters of words and everyone else who hates America,our troops,George W....etc....

I was in no way disregarding anything that had to do with the color of your skin.YES you are right racism does exist in this country.THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!
WHY USE IT AN AN EXCUSE FOR BAD BEHAVIOR....

I have a question....my husband will be leaving in three days to go clean up the mess out there that these people have created by shooting their rescue workers,looting,gang raping women and young girls, beating animals with sticks and anything they can find....If we have left them there for so long because they are black then why would my white husband have to go out there and clean up the mess?????? Restore order?????

Shouldn't all black people go because the whites are the enemy????????Or are we only the enemy when its convienient? Just wondering?

I cannot believe a lot of you actually believe that there is an excuse for the way these people are acting...unbelievable. GUESS WHAT?!?!?!? 99% of the looters are not looting FOOD PEOPLE!!!!!!THEY ARE LOOTING THINGS THEY CAN'T EVEN USE RIGHT NOW!!!


If you are so unhappy that you have men and women fighting for your freedom, your rights, and your safety everyday then MOVE OUT. GO live in another country.

Other countries don't pull the race card like we do.They also make people way more accountable then we do here in the USA, they don't tolerate all the excuse making that we do.....so good luck.


I wish we could change lives one day, just because we are white doesn't mean our money grows on trees and we are not accountable for anything.....nothing is handed to us. Have you ever heard of Affirmative action????

I was raised to respect PEOPLE period.I was also raised to be ACCOUNTABLE for my own actions. NOT constantly BLAME other people for my bad behavior.Or my bad judgement.

THANK you to the two people that are sending things to the hurricane family in my post. You are the ones that are the postive changes in this world. We must be the change to see change.

I think I am done here. I just cannot handle all of the one sided we are the victim talk. If it bothers you so much then do something about it.

EVERYONE that lives in that area is a victim not just the black people.

Strap a gun on and try to rescue people that are shooting at you. Watch your friends,coworkers die in front of your face,be away from your family get no rest AND try to make split second life altering decisions everyday that effect millions of people. When you can do that, then and only then will you know what the heck you are talking about.

I am SURE there are one or two of you here that were backing the self proclaimed famous person REV MEEKS a couple of weeks ago too.....great example of doing something wrong and blaming other people for it and then helping to fuel the problem/issue that was created by bad judgement.

I am a proud American....if I don't like the way something is getting done or if I feel people need my help and I can do something to make a difference I do it. I just cannot sit here and listen to all of these reasons and excuses. WHEN 9-11 happened those people that were affected WERE NOT SHOOTING AT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO RESCUE THEM!!!!!!!!!So, when you say stupid statements like that and others agree it just goes to show how one sided and uninformed you really are.

Most of you here with the exception of the good few (you know who you are)

should be ashamed of yourselves.


I am done here.

[nickdsgrl6281]

If you were raised to respect people then you would respect everyones opinion on this topic. Yeah I think that what has happened is terrible and I have done what I can. I am extremely poor. My husband doesnt make very much money in the military fighting for "our freedom" or whatever you want to call it. But I have donated 1,000 dollars to the red cross. Can I really afford it? NO. But can they afford not to have it? NO

[kittie]

AMEN V!

[nickdsgrl6281]

Thank you MeganRose for your post.

[KathyinPhilly]

It's so refreshing to read V and Jenn's posts, especially after listening to the media bash our government for four days!!

As General Honore says "if this was an easy thing, it would have been done already". Who is actually so egotistical as to think they can do a better job than our government and all the advisors that were put on the task? If someone could have gotten in past the hurricane devastation, past the floods, through the invested waters -- dodging the gunshots coming from the "victims" themselves, to evacuate some 60,000 people, then I say ... it's a good thing this is America, so that you can run for office next term!

Are we kidding? No matter what color or economic level those people were, they are still logistically in a position that has been very very difficult to get to!! AND they've been getting rescued, thousands a day since the hurricane stopped.

Bring our troops home from Iraq? Again, we're kidding, right? This is NOT a matter of sheer manpower, just numbers of people --- it's a strategically planned rescue effort, through debris, sludgy water, impassible roads, inoperable airports/railways -- for tens of thousands of people, some of whom do not want to be evacuated! I'm trusting that our government is wise enough to take care of both issues, here in the Gulf AND in Iraq. Now is not the time to lose faith in our leadership!

[KathyinPhilly]

Megan, the information coming to us here in Pennsylvania is that we have received hundreds of thousands of dollars in aid offers from around the world, both in money and in supplies ... that no offers have been or will be refused. We've been told by way of CNN quite clearly by Ms. Rice and many others that moneys and supplies are being allocated at this time ... and that it will be used both immediately and long-term to aid the victims of Katrina. I wouldn't be so quick to blame President Bush for turning away aid .. we are in America where decisions are made by the entire goverment we elected ... and as far as I know, they are accepting all offers of help.

I'm pretty certain that those funds and supplies will take longer than a day to transfer and allocate ... my bank won't even clear my paycheck for two days before I can pay bills with the money! And I understand from the news that there is enough aid that some will be used now and some will be allocated for longer-term ... sounds like good planning to me.

[kittie]

i know we are getting people from canada to come in and help. anyone else hear about that?

[nickdsgrl6281]

People are donating all over the world. Even celebs. Jerry Lewis's telethon, that starts tomorrow, is raising money for the hurricane victims. ALso he his donating 1 million from the MDA fund. Nicholas Cage, Jay-z, P-Didy, Celine Dion are all donating a million each. Hillary Duff is donation 250,000. And Barry Manilow is working with his organization to raise money and will match every dollar that is raised. And this is just to name a few.

[rene76]

I SEE NICKS GIRL'S BEEN WATCHIN HER SOME MTV~ WAY TO GO~ I HEAR THEY DO NOTHING BUT EDUCATE ON THAT CHANNEL.
~R

[Jenn77]

Certainly makes it easier to understand where she gets her ridiculous info. Soldiers are my heros...not some overpaid Hollywood celeb.

[flab2fab]

Well I still believe it is a race issue. But I also believe that everyone has their opinions and everyone here should respect everyone's opinion. We are not going to agree with everthing, I am just going to have to agree to disagree with a couple of people on this issue and keep it moving. I think that we can all agree that this is very devestating and if we can donate then we really need to.

[JessiKat80]

Originally posted by flab2fab:
First of all we have 50 states in the United States and each and everyone of them have con-artists, thieves, bums, and scavengers. There are people that are stealing to survive! A bunch of bad apples are not the majority that doing this to feed families. I totally agree with Ebony Poetess and Monifa. I do feel that it is taking a long time because of race. I know a lot of people may want to deny that but it IS a reality!! I don't like it just as much as the next man. [/QB]Have you not watched the news? The people walking around stealing guns, tvs, shoes, jewelry IN BULK are not stealing to survive. This is not the same as taking food and water from the walmart.

[flab2fab]

JessiKat80, I never said that people are not looting, stealing guns, tv's, and jewlery. I am not stupid, I HAVE been watching the news. I posted in this topic and other topics so please read that before you make a coment like that! What I am saying that if YOU watched or know anything about the news, the media will show the really negative things over and over and over again. The media is not going to show the hard working people that have children that are trying to survive.

No one really know what they will do unless you are put in this situation. So, again I will say that I will agree to disagree on this subject and keep it moving!!!!!!!!!!
Have a great day JessiKat80!!!
:)

[JessiKat80]

My original intention was to point out that in a crisis like this, it is expected that people will do what they feel is best for their situation. For those with families, that is getting food and water by any means necessary...and that is understandable. For con-artists and thieves, that is stealing anything and everything they feel might profit them or give them power...and that is sad.

And I did not mean to come across as I were attacking you or calling you stupid. Sorry if it seemed that way.

[nickdsgrl6281]

jenn77 what a ridiculous comment. People where asking why the richest people in the world were not helping. As in celebrities. I was just stating that they are donating their money to the cause. I was answering a question. As for Soldiers don't assume s h i t about other people. My husband is putting his life on the line every day for you. He is my hero. So before you get smart know all the facts.

[cielocha23]

Very well said Meganrose :heartpump:

Shout out to the truth...(a.k.a Kanye West)


Well i'm glad to hear that the president will be sending 7000 troops down there to help get things in order. And they are search and rescuing as we speak :heartpump:

[rene76]

NICK'S GRL~
YES~ WE ALL KNOW YOUR HUSBAND IS A SOLDIER~ HOW COULD WE FORGET? DOES THIS GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BE RUDE?
I'M JUST WONDERING~ BECAUSE IF IT DOES~ THEN I CAN BE A 'GRADE A *****' TOO~ CAUSE MY HUSBAND IS A FIREFIGHTER~ HOW MANY OF THEM WERE KILLED ON 9~11? AND LET'S REMEMBER~ FIREFIGHTERS DON'T GET A FREE EDUCATION OR ON BASE HOUSING.
AND YOUR ~ "Protecting our freedom? From what exactly? Do you have a loved one in Iraq?" COMMENT~ WTF? THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS BOARD WHEN THEY REFER TO ~ BADLY EDUCATED COMMENTS~
YOU'LL HAVE A GREAT DAY ~
~RENE'

[cielocha23]

Nicksgirl I have a brother in law in the military, and a uncle who had retired from the military a few years before he died back in 2000. your husbands services are greatly appreciated :heartpump:
every person who willingly puts there life on the line to serve their country is a true hero :heartpump:

Everyone who is making comments about playing the race card, it isn't playing anything, it's the truth!
Try growing up as african american and experience THE TRUTH! For real! get a f*cking clue!

And V let me give you a perfect example of racial profiling that doesn't have a thing to do with REV.MEEKS, My brother, a good kid, never got into any trouble,(with the law) never gave my mom any trouble, an electrician at the age of only 19, was walking down the street coming home from work, when two plain clothes cops grabbed him and threw him against the car and started searching and questioning him, simply because he had on a black hoodie a scull cap and blue jeans. They didn't find s*it on my brother so they let him go. Meanwhile the real thugs are down the block doin their thing, while those mofo's harassed my brother! My husband, a hardworking father of 3, a city employee, and a responsible Young father(not too many of those these days) was comming out of a neighborhood restaraunt when the police stopped him and hemmed him up against the wall and search and questioned him. What reason did they have to harass my husband. NOT ONE! This has happened on several occasions. My husband is bi-racial, but he could pass as latino. When he used to work security 3rd shift, they would stop him on the way home saying some s*it about he fits the description of one of two latino's who just did a shooting,mind you he still had his uniform on.
And another time, they stopped both my brother and husband together with f*cking guns drawn, thrown against the car, searched, car searched, names ran through the computer, and asked if they were buying drugs. Why? Because they figure a latino and a black guy together must be buying drugs...bullchit! Then when they didn't find anything and found out that my husband was doing security, they apologized and started telling my husband some **** about instead of doing security, he should become a cop, because he is young, no police record and he has an armed license. He even told him what he needed to do to be a chicago PO. And I have a bunch of other stories to tell, but not enough time. Racial profiling is real, it is not playing the race card!
That's why alot of african american women prepare their sons early for this type of treatment. Because the police have the upper hand, and when it happens, there is nothing you can do. All you do is keep quite, let em search you and it'll be over. If you know you are innocent, you have nothing to be worried about. If any rights were vilolated or any unlawful harm, there's always three options, a good lawyer, the media and the IDPR.
Johnnie cochran(God rest his soul) said a small injustice anywhere, is a threat to just EVERYWHERE. I assure you if you could experience being black, your views would change.

And nobody said anything about whites being anybody's enemy! If that's the case, then i'm now declaring my 1/2 white hubby, white mother in law, and 1/4 white children my official enemy :rolleyes:

Once again, shout out to Kanye West for being the truth and to everybody who realizes the truth and not afraid to say it :heartpump:

[ September 03, 2005, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: cielocha23 ]

[fatgrace]

Boy I logged on this site this morning so I could get motivated............I am now just blown away.....We as americans need to stick together and put all our anger aside for one moment and regroup..............The anger and bickering here is not nor will it ever accomplish something...LETs have some positive thinking,....Maybe instead of belittling(sp) each other we can work together towards a solution..............I will logg off now and go elsewhere today for my motivation and happy thoughts......

I know my thoughts here will receive some bad responce........I know we have freedom of speech ......but for one day can we try to have just positive thinking........ thats all

[SWEETJAS]

Look at the captions and the pictures of these two stories and see if YOU can spot the racism!

"Playing the race card? I THINK NOT!!!!!

[rene76]

OH~ I AM SO CONFUSSED~ WHAT'S ALL THIS ABOUT KANYE WEST?
I READ IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT HIM~
ISN'T HE A RICH BLACK KID WITH RICH BLACK PARENTS FROM HYDE PARK IN CHICAGO?
I'M SORRY~ I'M JUST SOME STUPID 'WHITE' GIRL~ BUT~ HE'S ABOUT AS BLACK AS OPRAH~ KINDA LIKE~ VANILLA ICE COMIN FROM THE GHETTO WHEN HE'S REALLY FROM THE BURBS~
SORRY~ I JUST NEED EDUCATED I SUPPOSE~
~RENE'

[DietSpecialist101]

Okay everyone, we logged on to be one anither's allies toward our weight loss. Let's redirect ourselves to congratulating one another on our accomplishments. Today I got on the scale and lost another pound! You know what I find very funny, I lost a total of 27 ponds since I got started in June and the poeple at my job have not seen me in 2 months, yet, no one said anything about my weight loss. When I gained 34 lbs - everyday someone pointed out how fat I was getting.

Diet Specialist 101

[SWEETJAS]

Look at the captions and the pictures of these two stories and see if YOU can spot the racism!

"Playing the race card? I THINK NOT!!!!!

[nickdsgrl6281]

First of all I was not trying to be rude. If thats how it was taken I will apologize. I was only answering a question just to get jumped on accusing me of being uneducated and making ridiculous comments. Assumtions that celebs, not slodiers, are my heros was completely not even called for. As for my comment about "Protecting out freedom from what exactly" We went after Sadam, who had no part in 9-11. Just our excuse to go in and get him. You can go ahead and be a Grade A *****. Apparently you can do it way better than I can. Have a great ****ing day

[nickdsgrl6281]

cielocha23 thank you for your post. Crap like that happens everyday. Other people don't see it. It's not pulling a race card. It's reality. Yeah I might be white but I am not stupid. My whole family is a mixture of races and I see it happen to them on a daily basis.

[rene76]

LMAO! I'M SORRY~ I CAN'T HELP BUT LAUGH~ DO FORGIVE ME ~ WHAT A WAY TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS~
DON'T EVEN BEGIN TO TRY AND PUT THIS OFF ON ME~ I'M NOT THE MILITARY WIFE MAKING AN UNSUPPORTIVE COMMENT ABOUT THE WAR~ BUT LET'S REMEMBER~ HUBBY'S YOUR HERO!
AS FAR AS HAVING A GREAT ****ING DAY~ I PLAN TO~
~RENE'

[nickdsgrl6281]

Stupid *** comments are made by people like you. If someone says they do not support the war its automaticaly made out to be that they don't support our troops and we hate this country. Where the **** do you get that?

[rene76]

:blabla: :blabla: :blabla:

[ September 03, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: rene76 ]

[Tessie1357]

1. I wish I was "extremely poor" and had $1,000 sitting in the bank to give.

2. Help was on the way when the levee broke and help had to turn back. That levee only needed to be fixed when Bush was in office?

3. Where are the people that have no food or water or help or ID's getting the cigerettes in their hands?

4. At CNN the glass is half empty, at FOX the glass is half full.

[rene76]

K~ I LIKE TESSIE! WHHHWWWOOOHWWHOOO! WELCOME TO THE BOARDS!
~RENE'

[V-]

Jas- Great pictures there are 2 white people with a loaf of bread and one black lady with an entire hefty bag jammed with stuff. If they were leaving people behind because of the color of their skin why are their 2 whites....ohhhh I know....its because they have brown hair....there is a coalition against brunettes now......

.....that's how much sense those pictures make.
Have fun in mexico...

Cie- AGAIN never said racism does not exist just that this is NOT and example of it...JUST LIKE the self proclaimed famous person REV MEEKS that was NOT an example of RACIAL PROFILING....even though it does exist.
Sorry that the CPD just roughed up your family members for no reason at all just because they were walking down the street.
BUT for every example of racial profiling you can give me I can give you 1000 more stops that were warrented. I can tell you stories that would make you sick....physically---- some of the things I have heard...that is how bad our streets are getting.So you should thank your local PD for having the upper hand.

RENE- You are absoulutly right, Kanye is very very wealthy,before he even became famous...comes from socialite Harvard educated parents from Hyde Park....he is a snob and snubs his own all day long this is a fact...he likes the local PO PO 's to protect him but then talks about them for publicity! THAT is the truth and I am NOT afraid to say it like it is!!!!

Nicks girl- yeah okay.....

I hear Bill Cosby has a good book out.....

[ September 03, 2005, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: V- ]

[nickdsgrl6281]

I saved up that money to give to my father b/c his house burned down to the ground a day after christmas. He received money to rebuild and refused to take my money. I am extremely poor. We bring home 350 every two weeks to pay our bills with.

[Dawn01]

Not to sound disrespectful but alot of them did have feet.If I had been living there and been told to evaquate IMMEDIATELY I would have walked , hitched or whatever I had to do to get out.They had a week to do that..I saw people standing there before it hit , laughing because the news reporters were there making a big deal out of it.I wonder if they are laughing now?I just think that way too many people are too concerned about themselves and what someone can do for them so they dont have to thesedays. When the Tsunami hit you didnt see them over there being ungrateful and whining.They were grateful to be ALIVE and that help was on the way.Like i said I feel really bad for the good people who have truly lost everything and the ones who are grateful for even being alive.I mean there are still people needing to be rescued, but the ones who are standing there critisizing the government, atleast they have been rescued and they do not have to stand in neck-deep water.I think they should be a little bit more grateful for what they do have and not be so critical.I mean the government also are just men, Not superheros.They will do whatever they can. God Bless all the victims.

[SWEETJAS]

V-, You mean to tell me that if someone steals one thing from your house you won't call the cops, but if someone steals a bunch of things then you would? Is it survival if you take one thing and looting if you take two?? Maybe the lady with the bag has more people to feed. How much someone takes does not matter! These people are in a state of emergency. Would it be better to let the food rot in the streets along side the bodies? ALL THAT STUFF IS INSURED!!!!! I have been watching the news closely and I haven't seen one person with their looted fur coats, diamonds and champange!!!! I see them picking up clothes and shoes, you know; so they can get the one's with Malaria soaked water off of them!

As far as the skin color aligning with hair color statement you made, THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE AT ALL!!!! I mean, what are you talking about? Really, what does that mean???? Did you just run out of things to say? Where you joking or serious? I don't get it?

ALSO, WHAT PEOPLE ARE FORGETING IS THAT NOT ONLY WERE NEIGHBORHOODS HIT, BUT SO WHERE JAILS, PSHYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS, REHAB CENTERS, AND HALF WAY HOUSES. Criminals are going to do what criminals do! The criminaly insane is going to do what the criminaly insane are going to do. Water is not going to stop that!

YES, I will have a blast in Mexico!

[V-]

EXACTLY ---don't blame other people for your lack of decision making skills then when you make a bad one blame it on the color of your skin. Be thankful for being alive try to help your fellow man....don't try to shoot, kill,rape, hurt people because you think you are entitled to. Then make excuses for the your behavior because of skin color....ridiculous.

[Dawn01]

Personally I never thought God was a racist!!I mean, come on people, you seem to be blaming the President for a natural catastrophe.This is ridiculous.Why didnt those people who were ordered to the Dome by the STATE GOVERNMENT,take some food and water with them??I think I would have. First of all I would have never went into that Dome. I could see that was going to be a big mistake.But the STATE OFFICIALs are the ones who made the provisions for those people to go in there and they should have atleast been prepared to have food and water for them.God Bless the real victims in this.

[V-]

No jas what I am saying is there are 2 white people there and 1 black woman- if you all want to get technical about leaving the people behind because they are black.....

THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE THERE TOO! THEY ARE ALL VICTIMS THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY HERE....ITS RIDICULOUS THAT YOU ARE ALL TELLING ME NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL BLACK. COME ON....YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS THERE ARE WHITE PEOPLE THERE RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM.
I DID NOT RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY I WAS TRYING TO SHOW YOU HOW RIDICULOUS YOU ALL SOUND THAT IS LIKE ME SAYING "THEY LEFT ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND THAT ARE WEARING RED SHIRTS"
ESPECIALLY when there are people coming from all over the place to help them get out....even the ones that are shooting at them...they will help them too if they don't shoot them first.

[SWEETJAS]

LACK OF DECISION MAKING SKILLS!?!! HOW FAR CAN YOU PICK UP YOUR KIDS AND WALK OUT OF A CITY?!?! WHO IS MAKING EXCUSES FOR BEHAVIOR BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN? WHO SAID THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMITING THESE CRIMES ARE BLACK? I GUESS YOU JUST CONJURED ALL THAT UP IN YOUR HEAD!

[V-]

oh PS....the reason you haven't seen the people with the fur coats,diamonds,tv,dvds, car rims, that's because the majority of those people that are doing that ARE BUSY SHOOTING AT REPORTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS.

WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR PICTURES LOOK FOR THIS PICTURE....do you know it takes swat teams of 7-9 men to rescue up to 2 people? thats because the other 5-7 are there to protect the victim and rescue workers....isn't that amazing????
SWAT TEAMS to rescue people
SO REALLY there are MORE rescue workers there right now...UNFORTUNATELY they are not being used for search and rescue..they are being used to break up fights and rapes and beatings.
SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A PICTURE OF THAT

[V-]

ummm sorry you just walked in on this discussion right now and have no idea what has been said or is going on....

maybe you should start from page one....

[Dawn01]

EXACTLY!!The reality is all of the ones I saw looting were black. But Im not saying that all blacl people are bad. I have black friends.It s just ridiculous to say that they are not being rescued because they are black.Give me a break!!

[SWEETJAS]

ARE YOU SERIOUS? EVERYONE THAT IS COMMITING A CRIME ALSO SHOT AN OFFICER OF REPORTER? THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE ALL I SEE ARE PEOPLE SITTING A WAITING AS THEY GET SICKER AND SICKER!

HOW ABOUT YOU FIND A PICTURE TO BACK UP ALL THE STUFF YOU'RE SAYING? I made my point clearly! Hash this over with the others. Debating with you is getting pointless!

[V-]

THANK YOU apparently we have a STAR JONES in the house who thinks its all about her

[V-]

No kidding, its pointless to debate if you are so one sided...you contradict yourself everytime you post.

Thanks for the entertainment today.

[Dawn01]

You are soooo right, Tessie, thats why I watch Fox

[tickles]

Ok, I dont know if any British people have responded to this but, I have to say this, stop picking on Britain. On september 11th, I and counless other BRITISH people I know donated money to help...and I personally could not afford it at the time bit donated £20 as I feel an injustice was done the US. We have offered help to the US but have been turned down by your president as apparently he can deal with his own emergency. I know one lady whos son went to Iraq to help fight against the terrorist who then had tried to destroy Americas faith and hope (9/11) and he was killed in action. She is so proud that her son died trying to help a country who we have become friends with and felt that her son dies amongst friends FOR friends.

Please do not say that us British are not trying to help as we are trying as best we can as individuals and it hurts to think that anyone in the US can judge us like this.

My friend narrowly missed being blown up in the London bombings of 7/7/05 and not ONCE did I EVER say ANYTHING bad about our American friends. Please chose your words wisely as feelings can be deeply hurt at times like these.

[fatgrace]

Some people here need to sit back with open eyes and look at what they wrote......This is a weight loss support form.....take your RANT AND RAVING elsewhere..please.....let those of us who want to use this forum and it was meant, enjoy it....

[rene76]

OH MY GOODNESS~ OH MY GOODNESS~
YOU GOTTA BE ****TIN ME! SO~ THE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE LOAF OF BREAD~ IS COMPARABLE TO THE CHICK WITH THE ENTIRE HEFTY BAG~ DO WE KNOW SHE HAS MORE TO FEED OR IS THAT JUST YOUR WAY OF MAKING IT JUST? JUST ASSUMING THAT SHE 'MUST HAVE A REASON'~ BECAUSE SHE'S BLACK AND YOUR TRYIN TO PROVE YOUR POINT.
YOU ARE ALL MAKING IT SOUND LIKE BLACK PEOPLE GET THE RAW END OF THE DEAL BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR~ THEY ARE INNOCENT~ THEY MUST BE~ BECAUSE THEIR MOMMAS RAISED THEM TO RESPECT~ BUT THEN YOU SAY~ THEIR MOMMAS TEACH THEM TO BE TOUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TO WARD OFF THE BAD COPS ~ WHO MY GOD~ MUST BE TRAINED TO GO AFTER~ ONLY THE MINORITY~ SO~ WHICH IS IT?
MY NEXT QUESTION~ IF PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR SWEET TIME GETTING DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY BLACK PEOPLE THAT ARE LEFT~ THEN WHO'S COMMITING ALL THE RAPES~ MURDERS~ ROBBERY~ ??????? TELL ME~ I'M DYIN TO KNOW!
~RENE'

[Dawn01]

Im sorry, you are right. :)

[cielocha23]

You know what Rene76, i don't give damn about what you say about kanye west because it doesn't mean s*it! What he said last night on t.v. was the truth! And it needed to be said! You don't know him personally, so stop frontin like you do! Get the f*ck outta here! If you are trying to pick s*it with me sweetie, you picked The right time! I can handle it, please bring it with your smart &ss comments. I swear I can handle you...
Oh God forbid A black man with money and a education!!! Let's go out and lynch em! It's funny how i don't see your $ss offering support, but you come up in here to make your view known when it comes to the whole race issue. Get the f*ck outta here!
:rolleyes:
And racial profiling happens here all the time Ms. know it all! You haven't walked in my shoes, you don't know s*it about what people go through!
You are just proving my point.

And V, I never said that what happened to rev. meeks was racial profiling. I gave you examples of racial profiling to let you know that it does happen!!! And what does Rev. meeks have to do with this post??? Nothing. Rev. meeks has a house, food, and money to go to.
They are good cops AS WELL AS BAD ONES! The bad ones don't need the upper hand over anything!
And they are thousands of racial profiling stories that never got any attention. It's only getting attention now because of who rev. meeks is!

It's pointless to keep arguing my points, because you just don't get it anyway.

And the guy on the second pic with girl does not look black! And looting is looting. No matter what amount it is!!!!!! And so what, they looted a grocery store...God forbid they are trying to survive :rolleyes:
and didn't somebody post that the cops were helping some people loot a grocery store in order to get food??????

And if somebody doesn't like what they are reading, then don't click! I have been on this board for 3 years and I don't really need to go back and look at anything I wrote. What I wrote is the truth, but you wouldn't understand any damn way.

SHOUT OUT TO KANYE WEST FOR BEING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

[tickles]

Ok, I do not come here to hurt, insult or make anyone feel like ****. I come here usually for support about losing weight. Its a terrible disaster that has happaened but its a NATURAL disaster. Nobody SENT this hurricane to these people and nobody wanted it. Instead of fighting and trying to belittle each other, PLEASE just concentrate your hopes and prayers to their safety instead. Emotions are raw and people feel useless but, dont hate each other about something that you personally cannot control. We all inhabit this planet and need each other to live comfortably and happlily. Dont you think tnat we have enough forces and life trivials against us without creating hatred for one another. Good luck in whatever you all do xxxxx

[JessiKat80]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet here but...In reguards to the newspaper and supposed "racism". The two white people are carrying BREAD. The black woman has a bag stuffed with SHOES. This is why the press reported one as looting and one as finding. In this particular case, race has nothing to do with it.

[KathyinPhilly]

I agree with Tracy (who's country according to Ms. Rice has offered money AND supplies for the Hurricane victims by the way -- and, Tracy, NO money has been or will be turned down!!! It's currently being allocated to the victims according to need according to Ms. Rice's speech today.)

No one is arguing that racism exists in our country, in our world ... you can hear it in the statements when you read the posts!!!

What's wrong is to generalize about things when it's just an excuse and feeling frustrated that this difficult task is taking longer than we want it to take! Like when our children are sick and the antibiotics take a whole week, we want them better in a day!! Life isn't always like that!

So it's easy to agree that there is racism in this country, and right here on this forum from what I can read ..... but you have to look with better eyes if you think you see racism as the reason why we couldn't get to the stranded people sooner!

I've watched CNN every waking minute since the storm hit (I work at home and can have the TV on). Not everyone that is looting is doing it selfishly, some are doing it for survival. I have seen footage of people carrying out TVs, stereos, furniture and things they can't possibly even use --- that's clearly looting, I know we would all agree on that!

I also listened to a desparate phone call from an obviously well-educated (she was very articulate) and I assumed possibly wealthy, white woman stuck in the Ritz Carlton with a convention of infectious disease doctors and a group of professors from Britain ... all having their food rationed, all tired, hungry, thirsty and dirty -- all needing to be guarded if they went out on the street --- but all stuck in their hotel with no way out ... until the search and rescue teams got to them, when it was their turn, as they could get there--- so they just waited -- just like everyone else.

After four or five days of watching news footage and listening to the media bash the government and the government continue forward with their efforts as best they can ---- I have observed that:
1. Not everyone stranded there is black (or even poor for that matter).
2. There are white people looting stores too.
(and I say looting as in taking things without paying for them, whether it's food for their families or luxury items they have no immediate use for).
3. IMO, President Bush, his advisors, General Honore and the agencies in charge of this operation are doing the best they can with what they have to work with! (Like Tracy says, no one sent this hurricane, it wasn't a bomb, it was Mother Nature).
4. I have watched hundreds of rescues on the television (and I know there are actually thousands each day occurring). While the majority of those being rescued are black, that's just probability since with the black/white ratio in the area, it makes sense we'd see that --- but I have watched black, white, old, young, angry and grateful -- all being lifted to the helicopters without regard for their race, age, sex or even attitude!

Nicksgirl should send her husband love from us all for the service he is providing to his country on foreign soil (and it must be harder to do that knowing that his wife disapproves of the mission) ... and V's husband also has my deepest respect and gratitude (as do all the policemen and firefighters who protect my family every day here on our own land).

But even with great men like that on our side... getting into New Orleans without roads, airports or railways, then risking your own life to pluck people out of trees and off rooftops, add to the fact that there are those (black and white) residents who are angry enough to be shooting guns and even raping women so that the environment is even more tenuous --- even with 10,000 black AND white brave men and women chomping at the bit to rescue these victims, everyone had to work on the time scheule of the strategically planned rescue operation ... in the safest and quickest and most productive way possible (they evacuated the sickest, the ones in most dire need, the prisoners of the state, amd even the Superdome as it became necessary) given all the negative circumstances. I know you are all too smart to believe that President Bush said "no, don't do it, leave them there, they're poor and black" (how ridiculous is that?)

I'd be scared to death to live in a country like that, wouldn't you? If a flood came down my middle-class suburban street, I need to believe in a government that would rescue my old husband and I off the top of our roof AFTER they plucked my black neighbor and her young children off their roof. The only difference would be that in both cases, we would have evacuated when told --- and if we needed a ride, we would have jumped in with our neighbor and taken refuge with her family ... would that have made us less desirable to save, because my friend is black? I feel very very certain that would not be the case --- regardless of our skin color, our income level, or the fact that we all have college educations .... we would be rescued based on our surroundings and how difficult it would be to get to us ... And I'm pretty sure my husband would make sure my single mother neighbor and her adorable children were hoisted up ahead of us -- based on need (and common courtesy) not skin color!

Again I say, I've heard lots of criticism on the TV, on the computer, and on this forum ... but I haven't heard anyone smart enough to devise a plan, taking everything into account, that would have afforded a faster rescue! I trust they had the top military and engineering people working on it from day one! Since I'm not in that elite group, I trust they will finish this job properly ... help with short-term solutions, and then with long-term rebuilding --- and then as for everything in life hindsight is 20:20, they can evaluate everything and see what might have worked differently, now that they had all the numbers in front of them. AND this is America, the greatest country there is ... so of course, we can multitask!! We are skilled, talented, dedicated and proficient enough to rebuild our Gulf Coast AND finish the job we are doing in Iraq!

God bless everyone who has endured the wrath of Katrina ... and God bless everyone who is helping to defend America -- against natural disasters here on our own shores and against terrorism around the world. God bless her, the USA, and all her citizens, so that we can come together and support our elected leadership to work to the best of their ability to help us weather Mother Nature's attacks and to protect us from wicked terrorists who envy us living in peace. :heart:

*** Want to feel better about yourself tonight? Go through your closet and your pantry and pull together a care package for V's friend. If you have trouble trusting in your own government, then take matters into your own hands and send some relief to someone we know will appreciate it and benefit from every cent and every item! (I couldn't find too much laying around in my closet since I've only lost 20 pounds -- and my boys are grown and out of the house --- but a Sears gift card can now be used at K-mart too -- Just a thought!)

[fatgrace]

KathyinPhilly you took the words right out of my mouth.

[V-]

Very well said Kathy ...thank you.